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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    That's not what Obama is trying to say. From what I'm understanding, Obama is saying ISIS does not represent Islam because they're not actually following the teaching of that faith. They are twisting it to empower themselves, much like the KKK did in America.
    Well now we are into your interpretation and everyone else's...

    Why the **** even raise it in the wake of a guy being burned alive? Why the crusades and slavery if not a shot at "Christianity"

    Look, in 25 years plus being paid to cover politicians I have seen few, very few, with the command of communication has Obama. He is one of the most gifted....and filtered politician in America today.

    Now look at your earlier post where you, in very clear terms, explain what you would liked him to have said. Now ask this: How come it was not as clear and to the point as you could make it....if that is, indeed, it was a "what I meant was...." situation.
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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Thank you!

    There is both. I heard there was this thingy claiming to be Christian and who worship him, called "Westboro"...

    And you know what, there is also radical Sikhism, the bastards killed around 350 people in the Air India bombing in the early 80's, the first act of international terror in north America.

    And there is radical Hinduism as well.

    There is not, though, radical Islamism...according to Obama.
    Nonsense. Interpreting Obama's statements as a denial that radical Islamism exists is foolish.
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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    That's not what Obama is trying to say. From what I'm understanding, Obama is saying ISIS does not represent Islam because they're not actually following the teaching of that faith. They are twisting it to empower themselves, much like the KKK did in America.
    Actually, they are following the teachings of the faith. It's the people who are NOT KILLING PEOPLE who aren't following Islam. The Qur'an is really quite clear on the subject. Then again, so is the Bible, people who aren't out killing witches and stoning unruly children aren't following what the Bible has to say. They're justifying ignoring parts they don't like.
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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Nonsense. Interpreting Obama's statements as a denial that radical Islamism exists is foolish.
    Then show us a direct quote from Obama where he admits that "radical Islamism" exists and is responsible for terrorist acts. Go ahead.
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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then show us a direct quote from Obama where he admits that "radical Islamism" exists and is responsible for terrorist acts. Go ahead.
    See his comments about "hijacking religion." His deliberate disassociation of ISIS from mainstream Islam has a purpose that appears to be lost on those eager to condemn all of Islam for the actions of its extremists, or who are unwilling to look at the root causes of radicalization.
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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    See his comments about "hijacking religion." His deliberate disassociation of ISIS from mainstream Islam has a purpose that appears to be lost on those eager to condemn all of Islam for the actions of its extremists, or who are unwilling to look at the root causes of radicalization.
    They aren't hijacking religion any more than Mormons are hijacking Christianity. There are tons of different sects of Christianity, more than 41,000 at last count, who is "hijacking" religion from whom? All that's being done is you (or Obama) is declaring that one version of Islam is "acceptable" and others are not, just because they can deal with one and not the other. Neither you nor the Idiot in Chief get to decide what is a valid religion and what is not.
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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They aren't hijacking religion any more than Mormons are hijacking Christianity. There are tons of different sects of Christianity, more than 41,000 at last count, who is "hijacking" religion from whom? All that's being done is you (or Obama) is declaring that one version of Islam is "acceptable" and others are not, just because they can deal with one and not the other. Neither you nor the Idiot in Chief get to decide what is a valid religion and what is not.
    When people use religion as justification to perform unspeakable acts, that is "hijacking religion."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    When people use religion as justification to perform unspeakable acts, that is "hijacking religion."
    Unless that religion demands unspeakable acts, at which point it's just following the religion.
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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Unless that religion demands unspeakable acts, at which point it's just following the religion.
    Parts of the Bible demand killing people for all sorts of offenses. Would doing that just be "following the religion"?
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    Re: Obama refuses to acknowledge ‘Muslim terrorists’ at summit

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Parts of the Bible demand killing people for all sorts of offenses. Would doing that just be "following the religion"?
    Yup. That's why I keep pointing out that the people who are "hijacking" religion are the people who DON'T do what their supposed holy books say.
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