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Libya’s Islamist militia strike from the sky

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A Tripoli-based Islamist militia in Libya carried out their first airstrike late Tuesday on a western Libyan town allied with a rival force headed by renegade general Khalifa al-Haftar, Al Arabiya News Channel reported.

Haftar’s forces, based mainly in the eastern part of the country, have used the air force to pound Islamist positions in Tripoli and other parts of the country. The Islamists have not had similar capabilities, and their first airstrikes have raised fear of possible escalation to air warfare between the two.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New.../Warplane-strikes-Libyan-town-of-Zintan-.html

So now these Islamist freaks are using jets. :doh

Interesting. First you spend about every waking moment on this forum slamming Muslims for being the problem and now they are stepping up and fighting back against the Muslim extremists on behalf of Coptic Christians and you are bitching about that. You are gonna break yourself spinning this much.
 
Interesting. First you spend about every waking moment on this forum slamming Muslims for being the problem and now they are stepping up and fighting back against the Muslim extremists on behalf of Coptic Christians and you are bitching about that. You are gonna break yourself spinning this much.

What are you talking about? This wasn't the Egyptian air force, it was a group of Islamists. And call me crazy, but just as terrorists with tanks and artillery are worse than terrorists with AK's, terrorists with jets are worse.

Do try and read before you post.
 
What are you talking about? This wasn't the Egyptian air force, it was a group of Islamists. And call me crazy, but just as terrorists with tanks and artillery are worse than terrorists with AK's, terrorists with jets are worse.

Do try and read before you post.

I don't have to read all that much to know that you call pretty much all Muslims terrorists.
 
Really? Kindly provide examples?

Sure...

Your OP has it as Libya's militia. Now tell me what you think about militias. You problem just lurv militia's when they aren't Muslim. Meanwhile you call this Libya militia.

So now these Islamist freaks are using jets.

Islamist freaks indeed.

Wow... that was a hard find. Had to go all the way back to the first post in the thread. :lamo
 
Sure...

Your OP has it as Libya's militia. Now tell me what you think about militias. You problem just lurv militia's when they aren't Muslim. Meanwhile you call this Libya militia.



Islamist freaks indeed.

Wow... that was a hard find. Had to go all the way back to the first post in the thread. :lamo

I didn't refer to them as a militia-the article I cited did. There are plenty of radical islamist terrorist militias out there, is this news?
How is that calling all muslims terrorists?

Do you believe that Islamist=Islamic? Bless your heart.
If not, what do you think the difference is?
 
I am increasingly of the opinion that she will not. I started a thread last fall to that effect citing a list of issues beginning with her age and health. Since then she has done nothing to disavow me of that notion as she has done nothing.

The party took a serious hit last November and we saw the power people falter badly, Debbie blew it with "we know we are right....", and Obama renewed his resolve to make congress a personal war. There has been no leadership, but a few heads pocking up to see if they can see their shadow while eying a shot themselves.

After November, she had two choices; rise up with a new, but subtly stated message. One of "we need to do things differently..." or back Obama 100%. She did neither which tells me:

Her and the grandmaster - and he is - have no idea where the political winds are shifting.

She is less than enthusiastic.

They have some skeletons in the political closet Obama is holding as a trump card...

And, she is not getting good, professional advice.

You strike when the opponent is weak and you are strong, a rattlesnake that has not eaten will run not bite. She is not striking at anything which tells me she is weak. You ride the crest handed to you always prepared to shift with the current and the wind, and she watched a tsunami go by without a blink..."we need to change how we do things..." would have held her in the spotlight, above Obama as the party was reeling from a bitter and predicted defeat.

In short, she seems to have stopped being a politician. If you're not prepared to slice your own kind from asshole to earlobe, then you do not belong in the game.

She is running at around 60 % with Democrats. If she runs, imho she will wint the party nomination. Notwithstanding there ma be some serious information that has not come to light yet.
 
I didn't refer to them as a militia-the article I cited did. There are plenty of radical islamist terrorist militias out there, is this news?
How is that calling all muslims terrorists?

Do you believe that Islamist=Islamic? Bless your heart.
If not, what do you think the difference is?

funny. You bring in an article to support you and now you are going back on the article. It said Libyan militia and from that you automatically deduced that they are one of the radical Islamists. You need nothing to push you into fabricating the terrorists claim based on nothing.
 
funny. You bring in an article to support you and now you are going back on the article. It said Libyan militia and from that you automatically deduced that they are one of the radical Islamists. You need nothing to push you into fabricating the terrorists claim based on nothing.

They are islamist terrorists, just a competing group that are also fighting each other. You really should google if you dont know-Libya is filled with them.
 
They are islamist terrorists, just a competing group that are also fighting each other. You really should google if you dont know-Libya is filled with them.

Mosul on the Mediterranean? The Islamic State in Libya and U.S. Counterterrorism Dilemmas - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Since the summer of this year, Libya has been wracked by civil war with the launch of Operation Dignity—a coalition of military units, Qaddafi-era military officers, eastern tribes, federalists, and Zintani militias in the west, led by retired General Khalifa Hifter. The immediate goal for Operation Dignity was to rid Benghazi of Islamist militias including Ansar al-Shari‘a and restore security in the troubled city, which had been rattled by a spate of assassinations. But a broader unstated goal was to reshape Libya’s security sector and political institutions to privilege the Qaddafi-era officer class and allied technocrats, while excluding the militias, younger Islamists, and Misratan factions. Hifter’s forces enjoy support from the internationally recognized parliament in Tobruk, the House of Representatives (HOR), and the cabinet of Prime Minister Abdullah al-Thani.


On the opposing side is Operation Dawn, a loose and increasingly fragmented coalition of militias from the powerful coastal town of Misrata, Islamist factions in Tripoli, and western mountain communities (including ethnic Berbers or Imazighen). The Dawn allies have rejected the legitimacy of the Tobruk parliament, convened their own unrecognized parliament, and installed their own prime minister, Omar al-Hassi.
A common labeling of the Dawn coalition and Misrata as the Islamist faction is mistaken: their key difference with Dignity is not over ideology but rather the inclusion of ex-regime officials into the new political order. Nevertheless, the Dawn forces have allied themselves militarily with Ansar al-Shari‘a and its Islamist militia coalition in Benghazi, with the Dawn’s prime minister al-Hassi telling a Western reporter that the Benghazi jihadist group is a “beautiful idea” whose excesses could be tempered through dialogue. Despite such talk, the alliance largely stems from a common enemy and is ultimately expedient—as are most alliances in Libya.
 
They are islamist terrorists, just a competing group that are also fighting each other. You really should google if you dont know-Libya is filled with them.

See? Case and point. You don't know these people but you are here saying "They are islamist terrorists". The only way you could do that is to believe they all are terrorists.
 
Mosul on the Mediterranean? The Islamic State in Libya and U.S. Counterterrorism Dilemmas - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Since the summer of this year, Libya has been wracked by civil war with the launch of Operation Dignity—a coalition of military units, Qaddafi-era military officers, eastern tribes, federalists, and Zintani militias in the west, led by retired General Khalifa Hifter. The immediate goal for Operation Dignity was to rid Benghazi of Islamist militias including Ansar al-Shari‘a and restore security in the troubled city, which had been rattled by a spate of assassinations. But a broader unstated goal was to reshape Libya’s security sector and political institutions to privilege the Qaddafi-era officer class and allied technocrats, while excluding the militias, younger Islamists, and Misratan factions. Hifter’s forces enjoy support from the internationally recognized parliament in Tobruk, the House of Representatives (HOR), and the cabinet of Prime Minister Abdullah al-Thani.


On the opposing side is Operation Dawn, a loose and increasingly fragmented coalition of militias from the powerful coastal town of Misrata, Islamist factions in Tripoli, and western mountain communities (including ethnic Berbers or Imazighen). The Dawn allies have rejected the legitimacy of the Tobruk parliament, convened their own unrecognized parliament, and installed their own prime minister, Omar al-Hassi.
A common labeling of the Dawn coalition and Misrata as the Islamist faction is mistaken: their key difference with Dignity is not over ideology but rather the inclusion of ex-regime officials into the new political order. Nevertheless, the Dawn forces have allied themselves militarily with Ansar al-Shari‘a and its Islamist militia coalition in Benghazi, with the Dawn’s prime minister al-Hassi telling a Western reporter that the Benghazi jihadist group is a “beautiful idea” whose excesses could be tempered through dialogue. Despite such talk, the alliance largely stems from a common enemy and is ultimately expedient—as are most alliances in Libya.

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On a chilly night, bearded militants gathered at a stage strung with colorful lights in Darna, a Mediterranean coastal city long notorious as Libya's center for jihadi radicals. With a roaring chant, they pledged their allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group. With that meeting 10 days ago, the militants dragged Darna into becoming the first city outside of Iraq and Syria to join the "caliphate" announced by the extremist group. Already, the city has seen religious courts ordering killings in public, floggings of residents accused of violating Shariah law, as well as enforced segregation of male and female students. Opponents of the militants have gone into hiding or fled, terrorized by a string of slayings aimed at silencing them.

A number of leading Islamic State militants came to the city from Iraq and Syria earlier this year and over a few months united most of Darna's multiple but long-divided extremist factions behind them. They paved the way by killing any rivals, including militants, according to local activists, former city council members and a former militant interviewed by The Associated Press. They all spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear for their lives. The vow of allegiance in Darna gives the Islamic State group a foothold in Libya, an oil-rich North African nation whose central government control has collapsed in the chaos since the 2011 ouster and death of longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi.....snip~

How a Libyan city joined the Islamic State group
 
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On a chilly night, bearded militants gathered at a stage strung with colorful lights in Darna, a Mediterranean coastal city long notorious as Libya's center for jihadi radicals. With a roaring chant, they pledged their allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group. With that meeting 10 days ago, the militants dragged Darna into becoming the first city outside of Iraq and Syria to join the "caliphate" announced by the extremist group. Already, the city has seen religious courts ordering killings in public, floggings of residents accused of violating Shariah law, as well as enforced segregation of male and female students. Opponents of the militants have gone into hiding or fled, terrorized by a string of slayings aimed at silencing them.

A number of leading Islamic State militants came to the city from Iraq and Syria earlier this year and over a few months united most of Darna's multiple but long-divided extremist factions behind them. They paved the way by killing any rivals, including militants, according to local activists, former city council members and a former militant interviewed by The Associated Press. They all spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear for their lives. The vow of allegiance in Darna gives the Islamic State group a foothold in Libya, an oil-rich North African nation whose central government control has collapsed in the chaos since the 2011 ouster and death of longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi.....snip~

How a Libyan city joined the Islamic State group
I may be off the mark here, but 1 key issue is bring back the old guard. Same thing happened in Egypt.
 
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On a chilly night, bearded militants gathered at a stage strung with colorful lights in Darna, a Mediterranean coastal city long notorious as Libya's center for jihadi radicals. With a roaring chant, they pledged their allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group. With that meeting 10 days ago, the militants dragged Darna into becoming the first city outside of Iraq and Syria to join the "caliphate" announced by the extremist group. Already, the city has seen religious courts ordering killings in public, floggings of residents accused of violating Shariah law, as well as enforced segregation of male and female students. Opponents of the militants have gone into hiding or fled, terrorized by a string of slayings aimed at silencing them.

A number of leading Islamic State militants came to the city from Iraq and Syria earlier this year and over a few months united most of Darna's multiple but long-divided extremist factions behind them. They paved the way by killing any rivals, including militants, according to local activists, former city council members and a former militant interviewed by The Associated Press. They all spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear for their lives. The vow of allegiance in Darna gives the Islamic State group a foothold in Libya, an oil-rich North African nation whose central government control has collapsed in the chaos since the 2011 ouster and death of longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi.....snip~

How a Libyan city joined the Islamic State group

Wow! That's just crazy. I remember when the Bush administration first mentioned al Qaeda, and everybody said, what's that. In most people's minds, terrorists in that region were Hamas, Hezbollah or Mujihadeen. Wonder how long it takes before Zogby or Gallup shows a majority of Americans saying, 'damn, I wish Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were back in power'.
 
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A Bit more JF.




Libya, virtually a failed state in recent years, has succeeded in one way: It’s providing a perfect opportunity for ISIS to expand from Syria and Iraq to establish a strategic foothold closer to European shores. Extremists loyal to the group have taken control of two Libyan cities on the Mediterranean coast, have moved toward oil facilities and are slowly infiltrating the capital, Tripoli, and the second-largest city, Benghazi. They have siphoned off young recruits from rival militant groups linked to Al-Qaeda and in some places taken over those groups’ training camps, mosques and media networks. Notably, there appears to be strong coordination between the Libya branch and the group’s central leadership in Syria and Iraq. One of its top sheikhs, Bahraini Turki al-Binali, has visited the Libyan city of Sirte to preach: in 2013 and again at the end of last year, soon before it fell into the hands of the group’s supporters, according to a rival militia official based there. The official spoke on condition of anonymity for fear for his life.

About 400 mostly Yemeni and Tunisian fighters are in Sirte, according to Libyan Interior Minister Omar al-Sinki. The militia official said ISIS fighters have set up headquarters in the city’s convention complex, the Ouagadougou Center, built by former dictator Moammar Gadhafi as a symbol of his secular regime’s aspirations to be a pan-African leader. An AP reporter who briefly visited Sirte Wednesday saw masked militants deployed along the main road linking the convention center to downtown. And the southern shore of Italy is about 660 kilometers away, a distance Libyans fleeing their country’s chaos regularly try to cross in rickety boats. Italy and France favor some sort of international action in Libya, while Egypt is pressing for a U.N.-backed coalition air campaign.....snip~

Gaddafi's 'sea of chaos' prophecy becomes reality, ISIS threatens to unleash 500,000 migrants into Italy - Middle East - International - News - Catholic Online

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ISIS vehicles parade around Benghazi.
 
See? Case and point. You don't know these people but you are here saying "They are islamist terrorists". The only way you could do that is to believe they all are terrorists.

why is it such a burning issue?

The US has been at war against "Islamic terror" since "Islamic terrorists" bombed you killing thousand of innocent civilians. It is a term being used as late as yesterday by the Prime Minister of Britain, President of France and Canada's wimpy Stephen Harper.

It has been so since the beginning along with "domestic terrorists", "Cuban terrorists" "Sikh terrorists" and "jihadists"

Barrack Obama gets off the crapper one day and wrongly says "they're not Islamic" and suddenly the trolls and Obama lemmings have nothing else to talk about.

Call them dog **** for all I care, they are slaughtering by the thousands and threatening to force the whole world to their ends using terror to do so and in the name of "allah". And they are winning.

If the US really wants to fight them, then fight them and stop arguing and bitching about a straw man on which the Man Behind the Curtain wants you focused so you do see you are losing a war

If you don't want to fight them, say so and stop endangering and losing American lives
 
A Bit more JF.




Libya, virtually a failed state in recent years, has succeeded in one way: It’s providing a perfect opportunity for ISIS to expand from Syria and Iraq to establish a strategic foothold closer to European shores. Extremists loyal to the group have taken control of two Libyan cities on the Mediterranean coast, have moved toward oil facilities and are slowly infiltrating the capital, Tripoli, and the second-largest city, Benghazi. They have siphoned off young recruits from rival militant groups linked to Al-Qaeda and in some places taken over those groups’ training camps, mosques and media networks. Notably, there appears to be strong coordination between the Libya branch and the group’s central leadership in Syria and Iraq. One of its top sheikhs, Bahraini Turki al-Binali, has visited the Libyan city of Sirte to preach: in 2013 and again at the end of last year, soon before it fell into the hands of the group’s supporters, according to a rival militia official based there. The official spoke on condition of anonymity for fear for his life.

About 400 mostly Yemeni and Tunisian fighters are in Sirte, according to Libyan Interior Minister Omar al-Sinki. The militia official said ISIS fighters have set up headquarters in the city’s convention complex, the Ouagadougou Center, built by former dictator Moammar Gadhafi as a symbol of his secular regime’s aspirations to be a pan-African leader. An AP reporter who briefly visited Sirte Wednesday saw masked militants deployed along the main road linking the convention center to downtown. And the southern shore of Italy is about 660 kilometers away, a distance Libyans fleeing their country’s chaos regularly try to cross in rickety boats. Italy and France favor some sort of international action in Libya, while Egypt is pressing for a U.N.-backed coalition air campaign.....snip~

Gaddafi's 'sea of chaos' prophecy becomes reality, ISIS threatens to unleash 500,000 migrants into Italy - Middle East - International - News - Catholic Online

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ISIS vehicles parade around Benghazi.

Another sticking point is the division of oil-gas wealth. Not equally shared. Money is king.
Tribal regions - to large to insert
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Oil-Gas
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Wow! That's just crazy. I remember when the Bush administration first mentioned al Qaeda, and everybody said, what's that. In most people's minds, terrorists in that region were Hamas, Hezbollah or Mujihadeen. Wonder how long it takes before Zogby or Gallup shows a majority of Americans saying, 'damn, I wish Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were back in power'.



Libya is the Wild Wild West Monte and ISIS is kicking some ass there.....they took over some Ansar al Sharia groups. The others joined AQIM who is also not so keen on letting ISIS take over.
 
A Bit more JF.




Libya, virtually a failed state in recent years, has succeeded in one way: It’s providing a perfect opportunity for ISIS to expand from Syria and Iraq to establish a strategic foothold closer to European shores. Extremists loyal to the group have taken control of two Libyan cities on the Mediterranean coast, have moved toward oil facilities and are slowly infiltrating the capital, Tripoli, and the second-largest city, Benghazi. They have siphoned off young recruits from rival militant groups linked to Al-Qaeda and in some places taken over those groups’ training camps, mosques and media networks. Notably, there appears to be strong coordination between the Libya branch and the group’s central leadership in Syria and Iraq. One of its top sheikhs, Bahraini Turki al-Binali, has visited the Libyan city of Sirte to preach: in 2013 and again at the end of last year, soon before it fell into the hands of the group’s supporters, according to a rival militia official based there. The official spoke on condition of anonymity for fear for his life.

About 400 mostly Yemeni and Tunisian fighters are in Sirte, according to Libyan Interior Minister Omar al-Sinki. The militia official said ISIS fighters have set up headquarters in the city’s convention complex, the Ouagadougou Center, built by former dictator Moammar Gadhafi as a symbol of his secular regime’s aspirations to be a pan-African leader. An AP reporter who briefly visited Sirte Wednesday saw masked militants deployed along the main road linking the convention center to downtown. And the southern shore of Italy is about 660 kilometers away, a distance Libyans fleeing their country’s chaos regularly try to cross in rickety boats. Italy and France favor some sort of international action in Libya, while Egypt is pressing for a U.N.-backed coalition air campaign.....snip~

Gaddafi's 'sea of chaos' prophecy becomes reality, ISIS threatens to unleash 500,000 migrants into Italy - Middle East - International - News - Catholic Online

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ISIS vehicles parade around Benghazi.

I know you've only known me for a year and a half. But truly, I opposed the A-Stan war, the Iraq war, any support for the overthrow of Mubarak, the overthrow of Gaddafi, and any support for the overthrow of Assad. And have predicted what your posting, the entire time. Anecdotally, back in the 80's I was discussing the things that I thought could hugely damage, even bring down the United States with a client at the time that was in his eighties, he was a 33rd degree in the Masonic organisation, and retired from the CIA (don't know how much that influenced what he told me, if at all) and he said David (a DBA name) your full of ****, the fall of America is going to be a result of conflicts between Christians and Muslims. And I thought, but didn't say, dude, you're senile.
 
why is it such a burning issue?

The US has been at war against "Islamic terror" since "Islamic terrorists" bombed you killing thousand of innocent civilians. It is a term being used as late as yesterday by the Prime Minister of Britain, President of France and Canada's wimpy Stephen Harper.

It has been so since the beginning along with "domestic terrorists", "Cuban terrorists" "Sikh terrorists" and "jihadists"

Barrack Obama gets off the crapper one day and wrongly says "they're not Islamic" and suddenly the trolls and Obama lemmings have nothing else to talk about.

Call them dog **** for all I care, they are slaughtering by the thousands and threatening to force the whole world to their ends using terror to do so and in the name of "allah". And they are winning.

If the US really wants to fight them, then fight them and stop arguing and bitching about a straw man on which the Man Behind the Curtain wants you focused so you do see you are losing a war

If you don't want to fight them, say so and stop endangering and losing American lives

Obama lemmings. Funny. It's a Fox noise meme to bitch about Obama not calling them Islamist terrorists.
 
Libya is the Wild Wild West Monte and ISIS is kicking some ass there.....they took over some Ansar al Sharia groups. The others joined AQIM who is also not so keen on letting ISIS take over.

And Egypt has more than enough resources to go in and kick ass as they say. It is right on their border. They have a well equipped military. Let them along with the UAE and others do some wet work, get their hands dirty.
Saudi would foot the bill.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=maps...niv&sa=X&ei=Ez_qVNC3LrWTsQTVu4Jg&ved=0CCgQsAQ
 
Obama lemmings. Funny. It's a Fox noise meme to bitch about Obama not calling them Islamist terrorists.

Perhaps but it's also two other things:
- It's a fact
- It's funny as hell how afraid this WH is of words
 
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