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ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

PeteEU said:
I know fully well what ISIS wants.. power and more power. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion but the ability to dominate others. That is why they are raping and murdering across the middle east, to sow fear in the population because fear is the best way to control populations.

If you think that ISIS is religious.. then you dont understand the situation. You do realize that iPhones are being sold in the crate wise to ISIS controlled areas right along with tons of other luxuaries like Redbull and what not.
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Pete.....even this Left wing Liberal writer gets it. This is one of truly the best written pieces and or articles that's out there on these guys. One has to give the proper kudos. Note what he says and how it is the exact opposite of what you are saying. Like BO and his Team.....all this has done, is hurt the fight against the problem.



There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse. The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam.

The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal......snip~

What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic
 
MMC said:
Pete.....even this Left wing Liberal writer gets it. This is one of truly the best written pieces and or articles that's out there on these guys. One has to give the proper kudos. Note what he says and how it is the exact opposite of what you are saying. Like BO and his Team.....all this has done, is hurt the fight against the problem.



There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse. The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam.

The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal......snip~

What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic
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And again you and the writer of the article do not get it.. it is about power and all they are doing, is using the Koran as an excuse to justify their actions. It is no different to what Hitler did or other crack pot mass murdering psychos through out history. It is no different than Warren Jeffs, David Koresh and so on. The leader of ISIS has a harem.. just like Koresh and Jeffs had "harems" of willing brainwashed women/girls.

While politicians in the west tend to go the more legit way by getting elected, the leaders of ISIS went the violent way... but ultimately they are very much alike in the wish for power.
 
PeteEU said:
And again you and the writer of the article do not get it.. it is about power and all they are doing, is using the Koran as an excuse to justify their actions. It is no different to what Hitler did or other crack pot mass murdering psychos through out history. It is no different than Warren Jeffs, David Koresh and so on. The leader of ISIS has a harem.. just like Koresh and Jeffs had "harems" of willing brainwashed women/girls.

While politicians in the west tend to go the more legit way by getting elected, the leaders of ISIS went the violent way... but ultimately they are very much alike in the wish for power.
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No Pete the writer gets it just like many others do and have been telling BO and his Team about how serious this threat is. Some even from BO's own Team. The best part of it is that ISIS and their supporters all validate it.

That's not to say what you are talking about with Power as a goal and within the Struggle that ISIS has with the Shia and then that of AQ, and Ansar al Sharia.

Moreover.....even the Shia in Iran believe in the same theory. Just a bit of difference on who will be the Power. Their Prophecy and their 12vers. They even believe that the government today is thee.....one that will usher in the Apocalypse. That this is suppose to be taking place with the Sunni.

Of course they(Iran/Shia) think they will be able to do so once they have their Nuke.
 
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PeteEU said:
I know fully well what ISIS wants.. power and more power. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion but the ability to dominate others. That is why they are raping and murdering across the middle east, to sow fear in the population because fear is the best way to control populations.
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The Crusades had nothing to do with religion either!
 
MMC said:
No Pete the writer gets it just like many others do and have been telling BO and his Team about how serious this threat is. Some even from BO's own Team. The best part of it is that ISIS and their supporters all validate it.
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For **** sake that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. I have never stated if ISIS was a threat or not. I have been stating why they are doing what they are doing and it is not religious for most of them.

And for the record, ISIS is a threat, and is a bigger threat than most, but there are similar threats all around the world, some violent, some not.

That's not to say what you are talking about with Power as a goal and within the Struggle that ISIS has with the Shia and then that of AQ, and Ansar al Sharia.
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Again it is power that is the root core. The struggle between Shia and Sunni.. power. Power over people and land.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
ISIS militants reportedly burn to death 45 people in western Iraqi town | Fox News


These people seem to be daring us, BEGGING us to send in ground forces. Acts this brazen undoubtedly are meant to elicit a response...
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Completely agree with you that they are trying desperately for us to send in ground forces. The only way I think we should oblige is with ground forces and an Armageddon battle plan combined with a well-planned propaganda program to explain what and why we're doing what we're doing. Sounds corny, probably, but drop leaflets everywhere. Using ground troops to hold safe havens. And air to destroy these sorry examples of humanity.

So says Maggie Patton.
 
MaggieD said:
Completely agree with you that they are trying desperately for us to send in ground forces. The only way I think we should oblige is with ground forces and an Armageddon battle plan combined with a well-planned propaganda program to explain what and why we're doing what we're doing. Sounds corny, probably, but drop leaflets everywhere. Using ground troops to hold safe havens. And air to destroy these sorry examples of humanity.

So says Maggie Patton.
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This is what you want dropped by leaflet in the ME?????

PROPAGANDA
derogatory
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"
 
MaggieD said:
Completely agree with you that they are trying desperately for us to send in ground forces. The only way I think we should oblige is with ground forces and an Armageddon battle plan combined with a well-planned propaganda program to explain what and why we're doing what we're doing. Sounds corny, probably, but drop leaflets everywhere. Using ground troops to hold safe havens. And air to destroy these sorry examples of humanity.

So says Maggie Patton.
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The way I see this there are really only two ways to defeat these people. Either the countries in the region find the will to turn against ISIS and defeat them themselves or we go in with a full out military offensive complete with a 50+ year occupation plan... which history has shown numerous times we do not have the stomach for.

We could offer military aid, we could even support them with air power, training, and intelligence, but they have to be the ones out front taking the battle to ISIS. If we have to do it for them it will just end up being another quagmire.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
The way I see this there are really only two ways to defeat these people. Either the countries in the region find the will to turn against ISIS and defeat them themselves or we go in with a full out military offensive complete with a 50+ year occupation plan... which history has shown numerous times we do not have the stomach for.

We could offer military aid, we could even support them with air power, training, and intelligence, but they have to be the ones out front taking the battle to ISIS. If we have to do it for them it will just end up being another quagmire.
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Heya Jack. :2wave: In January of this year.....we had some come up with a plan. It takes defining the enemy and having a strategy. Not just a goal.


The enemy is the Global Jihad Movement. And it is inspired, guided, and enabled by the Islamic supremacist doctrine its adherents call shariah.

For much of this period, the U.S. government has pursued various approaches to the threats posed by that enemy – including selective military engagements, benign neglect, willful blindness, and outright appeasement. They have all shared one common denominator: They ignore the aforementioned realities and, as a practical matter, have exacerbated them. Yet, no one has advanced a more reality-based, more practical and more effective way to counter, let alone defeat, this ideologically driven enemy. Until now. The “Secure Freedom Strategy” offers a detailed prescription for a clear-eyed understanding of the enemy we confront and actionable steps for vanquishing it. Its key components include:

Understanding the Enemy’s Threat Doctrine:
Establishing Our Objective:
Reestablishing “Peace Through Strength”:
Counter-Ideological Warfare:
Intelligence Operations:
Economic Warfighting:
Cyber Warfighting:.....snip~

Center for Security Policy | It’s Time For The ‘Secure Freedom’ Strategy
 
Montecresto said:
This is what you want dropped by leaflet in the ME?????

PROPAGANDA
derogatory
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
"he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"
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I thought something more like this:

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE. EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days.

The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all powerful countries of the world are now at war with you.

Also, because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic bomb.

A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s could have carried on a single mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed.

Before we use this bomb again and again to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, petition the emperor now to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.

Act at once or we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
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MMC said:
Pete.....even this Left wing Liberal writer gets it. This is one of truly the best written pieces and or articles that's out there on these guys. One has to give the proper kudos. Note what he says and how it is the exact opposite of what you are saying. Like BO and his Team.....all this has done, is hurt the fight against the problem.



There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse. The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam.

The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal......snip~

What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic
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They are also, for the moment, winning the propaganda wars with charges of "Islamophobia" and the continued charges of attacks by non Muslims, despite these seldom, if ever occurring. They even have their own 'good cop/bad cop' thing happening where Al Qaeda, who also shares a history of beheading innocents, is saying that ISIS is too 'extreme'.

If people simply acquiesce to a more Islamic way of life none of this nasty stuff really has to happen.
 
PeteEU said:
And again you and the writer of the article do not get it.. it is about power and all they are doing, is using the Koran as an excuse to justify their actions. It is no different to what Hitler did or other crack pot mass murdering psychos through out history. It is no different than Warren Jeffs, David Koresh and so on. The leader of ISIS has a harem.. just like Koresh and Jeffs had "harems" of willing brainwashed women/girls.

While politicians in the west tend to go the more legit way by getting elected, the leaders of ISIS went the violent way... but ultimately they are very much alike in the wish for power.
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So 'it's all about harems', huh? I was wondering what the next leftist rallying cry might be.
 
Grant said:
They are also, for the moment, winning the propaganda wars with charges of "Islamophobia" and the continued charges of attacks by non Muslims, despite these seldom, if ever occurring. They even have their own 'good cop/bad cop' thing happening where Al Qaeda, who also shares a history of beheading innocents, is saying that ISIS is too 'extreme'.

If people simply acquiesce to a more Islamic way of life none of this nasty stuff really has to happen.
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Mornin Grant :2wave: Yeah I have seen how some are all caught up into the propaganda of ISIS against AQ. Ansar Sharia against ISIS. The media trying to play on it. The Terrorists don't mind.....while they work together or against one another. As they Know for each group.....the end game is the same thing. All that matters is who will be in charge. For the rest that don't submit and or convert. Nothing changes.

So they do have a theory similar to those of today in that aspect.

Even the Saud with their United States of Islam, and the many that believe in Shariah there as well.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Part of me really wants to believe that our President and our leaders have some secret strategy that will make statements like "the JV team", the refusal to call these people what they really are, and our reluctance to do anything more than lob a few token missiles in their general direction, make sense at some point. I really do want to believe that he is not as completely incompetent as he looks right now.
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Just like I really wanted to believe that the last President didn't invade Iraq without a plan for victory. That he really didn't think we would be greeted as liberators and it would be all over in 6 months.
 
iguanaman said:
Just like I really wanted to believe that the last President didn't invade Iraq without a plan for victory. That he really didn't think we would be greeted as liberators and it would be all over in 6 months.
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Well, the Last one Knew what to call his enemy. Oh an btw do let BO peep know. A Cult quits being a Cult, when they can take over an entire city and wage war in 4 different countries. Just sayin.
 
iguanaman said:
Just like I really wanted to believe that the last President didn't invade Iraq without a plan for victory. That he really didn't think we would be greeted as liberators and it would be all over in 6 months.
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Our last President bought into the concept of "Nation Building".

Google "PNAC nation building". Take a look at who made up the PNAC and what is actually behind the concept. Pretty sick ****...
 
MMC said:
Well, the Last one Knew what to call his enemy. Oh an btw do let BO peep know. A Cult quits being a Cult, when they can take over an entire city and wage war in 4 different countries. Just sayin.
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Many call Nazism a cult too.

Here's a few quotes from the "last one who knew what to call the enemy"


President Hosts Iftaar Dinner
Remarks by the President at Iftaar Dinner
State Dining Room
• "Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."

Remarks by President George W. Bush on U.S. Humanitarian Aid to Afghanistan
Presidential Hall, Dwight David Eisenhower Executive Office Building, Washington, D.C.
October 11, 2002

• "Islam is a faith that brings comfort to people. It inspires them to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion."
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http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/ramadan/islam.html
 
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MMC said:
Well, the Last one Knew what to call his enemy. Oh an btw do let BO peep know. A Cult quits being a Cult, when they can take over an entire city and wage war in 4 different countries. Just sayin.
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Howdy MMC :2wave: there you go again.


But this shift in language used to discuss terrorism predates the Obama administration. In May 2008, UPI reported that "U.S. officials are being advised in internal government documents to avoid referring publicly to al-Qaida and other terrorist groups as Islamic or Muslim, and not to use terms like jihad or mujahedin, which "unintentionally legitimize" terrorism."

Fox Attack On Obama Administration For Not Saying "Jihad" Ignores Similar Bush Policy | Blog | Media Matters for America
 
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