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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think your responses show that your hole point is not founded in reality. "Its safe", but averaging over a terrorist attack a day shows that it is not. Then you claim that "hey if we left troops behind, we will be awesome", but then a high ranking General disagrees with you. But hey keep it up! Maybe one day oceania will beat eurasia!
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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Wow... Apparently your definition of "much safer" is averaging over a terrorist attack a day....
    How many were killed during 2011 before Obama pulled the troops and how many are being killed now?
    I guess you are one of those people who claim "Iraq was stable before we withdrew".
    That was Barry Obama's claim. Of course that is no longer true.
    But then again, you are the one that refuses to recognize the giant unrest in the region is bigger than one person, so you keep on hammering the "its Obama's fault!" card.
    Well of course it's Obama's fault. Who else? The motto of this presidency, echoed by his sycophants, is that 'The buck stops elsewhere'.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They are fighting now-bombing ISIS territory-more arab nations than ever in history. But they dont have a cohesive strategy, lack leadership, and are also suspicious of each other, plus they are also terrified of ISIS in their own territory.

    If they knew they had us leading them, with a commitment for victory they'd do even more. **** I'd give them the bombs to drop and bullets to shoot.
    But they dont have a leader to make that happen-it wont be Obama-that dog wont hunt.
    I don't believe for a second that this will go on for long, soon they will realize how expensive it is and how much they are putting a target on their own backs. Just like France, who pretended they'd fight ISIS, they stopped almost immediately. It takes a serious commitment to fight long-term. I don't think any of them have that commitment. Even with us leading the fight, they have no interest in joining in for the long haul. They expect us to do the heavy lifting, that's the lesson we've taught the world.
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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We will, though I think we should negotiate terms with the Iraqi's and OPEC nations as well in exchange. We didn't do that last time, which is one reason I lol at the implication that Iraq was "all about oil".
    We can't, we don't have the money. What you mean is, the Chinese will fund it and we'll be paying for it for decades, perhaps forever. So much for fiscal responsibility.
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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We can't, we don't have the money. What you mean is, the Chinese will fund it and we'll be paying for it for decades, perhaps forever. So much for fiscal responsibility.

    Tragically wars are expensive.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Tragically wars are expensive.
    Yes they are but they still have to be paid for. We have to be realistic in our goals, we can't just figure we're going to spend 100 trillion dollars on a war and occupation, that's just not realistic.
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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes they are but they still have to be paid for. We have to be realistic in our goals, we can't just figure we're going to spend 100 trillion dollars on a war and occupation, that's just not realistic.
    Is 100 trillion the official estimate or did you just make that up?

    Being as how this is an international problem it should be paid for by the international community.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well of course it's Obama's fault. Who else? The motto of this presidency, echoed by his sycophants, is that 'The buck stops elsewhere'.
    As I've stated over and over again. This consequences of the US involvement in the middle east and the consequences of the destabilization of the region is bigger than one man. It goes all the way back to the 80's possibly further. Several presidents and their policies are responsible for this mass insurgency and destablization of the region.


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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    As I've stated over and over again. This consequences of the US involvement in the middle east and the consequences of the destabilization of the region is bigger than one man. It goes all the way back to the 80's possibly further. Several presidents and their policies are responsible for this mass insurgency and destablization of the region.
    Syria is a textbook example of a nation that had very little to no American involvement that is now a terrorist haven. Terrorists do what they do-they dont need us as an excuse guy.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Syria is a textbook example of a nation that had very little to no American involvement that is now a terrorist haven. Terrorists do what they do-they dont need us as an excuse guy.
    You realize that this even took place in Iraq, correct?


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