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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The problem is that enough Americans thought this man was wonderful to elect him president--twice. Apparently it did not occur to many of them that his father was a Muslim; his stepfather was a Muslim; he attended Muslim schools; he had a Muslim roommate at Occidental College; one of his closest friends in Chicago was a great admirer of Yasser Arafat and a former PLO propagandist; and that his preacher of twenty years was sympathetic to Black Muslims and a great friend of Louis Farrakhan.

    I have no doubt that Barack Hussein Obama feels much more sympathetic to foreign Muslims than he does to the men who founded the country whose interests he is supposed to be defending. That is exactly why he has been bowing and scraping to foreign Muslims ever since he first became president. It is the reason he refuses to admit what is obvious to most people in the civilized world--that Islamic jihadists, far from having nothing to do with Islam, are directly inspired by the most orthodox Islamic texts.
    This idea is what many Americans are now struggling to come to terms with. Those investigating hs past connection to Islam, or even where he was born, were subject to ridicule and denial, really a first when investigation Presidential backgrounds.

    Now even his sycophants are beginning to have doubts about what they have unleashed on their country because he certainly doesn't appear to have American interests at heart.

    He has alienated long term allies and demonstrated his antipathy towards the Israeli Prime Minister while bowing to Islamic leaders. His intention to close Gitmo while releasing terrorists is unfathomable, with the excuse that it creates terrorism as weak as the idea that lack of jobs does the same thing. Just looking at his record, his policies and his choice of words would strongly suggest that he does not have the county's best interests at heart. That would apply to his domestic policies as well.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Hmm try real hard here-what happened in 07? Oh! It was the surge that the left said wouldnt work.
    How are you claiming "it worked"? Attacks still rose....


    And in the end, the number of attacks concerns me less than the number of innocents killed.
    It concerns you less because it refutes your talking point of somehow Iraq was stable and the war was a success.

    You may not like the fact that a presence and commitment works, but it does, and it will again.
    "It works"? How did it "work"?
    "The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post Seems like if you mean creating terrorist activity, then **** the invasion "worked".

    "GEN. WESLEY CLARK: I donít think that keeping a few thousand troops in Iraq would have stopped ISIS. And it wouldnít have fixed the Iraqi forces. There are deep schisms inside Iraq and they reflect the deep problems and they reflect the problems that really Islam has. They were Godís chosen people, they were the center of civilization for hundreds of years, and three hundred years ago these barbarians from Europe with more money technology and know how and took over the world and Islam has had a hard time coping with that."
    Gen. Wesley Clark: Staying Longer In Iraq Wouldn’t Have Made A Difference | Liberaland


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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How are you claiming "it worked"? Attacks still rose....



    It concerns you less because it refutes your talking point of somehow Iraq was stable and the war was a success.


    "It works"? How did it "work"?
    "The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post Seems like if you mean creating terrorist activity, then **** the invasion "worked".

    "GEN. WESLEY CLARK: I don’t think that keeping a few thousand troops in Iraq would have stopped ISIS. And it wouldn’t have fixed the Iraqi forces. There are deep schisms inside Iraq and they reflect the deep problems and they reflect the problems that really Islam has. They were God’s chosen people, they were the center of civilization for hundreds of years, and three hundred years ago these barbarians from Europe with more money technology and know how and took over the world and Islam has had a hard time coping with that."
    Gen. Wesley Clark: Staying Longer In Iraq Wouldn’t Have Made A Difference | Liberaland

    The American Council on Foreign Relations, doesn't quite see the success in the surge, the building of a Sunni army, or the two million refugees largely un dealt with.

    Has the Surge Put Iraq on the Path to Success? - Council on Foreign Relations
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But he can't lead the fight if these nations aren't willing to fight. The world has simply failed to rally around the "war on terrorism", they expect us to go in and fight the fight. Nobody in the supposed "coalition" is willing to actually do anything. All of our supposed partners have refused to actually do anything to fight this war. They've got soothing words but no actual action and the only reason they're doing anything is that the U.S. promised them things so we don't look like we're alone in this. ISIS could be wiped out in a day if every nation on the planet sent significant forces into the Middle East with orders to shoot to kill. It just won't ever happen. These nations are just lazy.
    They are fighting now-bombing ISIS territory-more arab nations than ever in history. But they dont have a cohesive strategy, lack leadership, and are also suspicious of each other, plus they are also terrified of ISIS in their own territory.

    If they knew they had us leading them, with a commitment for victory they'd do even more. **** I'd give them the bombs to drop and bullets to shoot.
    But they dont have a leader to make that happen-it wont be Obama-that dog wont hunt.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And who pays for this?
    We will, though I think we should negotiate terms with the Iraqi's and OPEC nations as well in exchange. We didn't do that last time, which is one reason I lol at the implication that Iraq was "all about oil".

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How are you claiming "it worked"? Attacks still rose....



    It concerns you less because it refutes your talking point of somehow Iraq was stable and the war was a success.


    "It works"? How did it "work"?
    "The report suggests that U.S. foreign policy has played a big role in making the problem worse: "The rise in terrorist activity coincided with the US invasion of Iraq," it concludes. "This created large power vacuums in the country allowing different factions to surface and become violent." After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post Seems like if you mean creating terrorist activity, then **** the invasion "worked".

    "GEN. WESLEY CLARK: I donít think that keeping a few thousand troops in Iraq would have stopped ISIS. And it wouldnít have fixed the Iraqi forces. There are deep schisms inside Iraq and they reflect the deep problems and they reflect the problems that really Islam has. They were Godís chosen people, they were the center of civilization for hundreds of years, and three hundred years ago these barbarians from Europe with more money technology and know how and took over the world and Islam has had a hard time coping with that."
    Gen. Wesley Clark: Staying Longer In Iraq Wouldnít Have Made A Difference | Liberaland
    The fact is that Iraq was much safer after the surge-one need only look at the number killed-lets be honest thats what matters most. Of course it will piss off terrorists, but they are pissed they can't behead and enslave innocents SO **** THEM.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The fact is that Iraq was much safer after the surge-one need only look at the number killed-lets be honest thats what matters most.
    Wow... Apparently your definition of "much safer" is averaging over a terrorist attack a day.... I guess you are one of those people who claim "Iraq was stable before we withdrew". But then again you are one of those who doesn't actually understand the withdrawal process (i'm pretty sure you have had this explained to you over and over again, but you keep on keeping on). But hey, "mission accomplished right"? But then again, how many terrorist casualties and attacks before we invaded?

    But then again, you are the one that refuses to recognize the giant unrest in the region is bigger than one person, so you keep on hammering the "its Obama's fault!" card.

    Of course it will piss off terrorists, but they are pissed they can't behead and enslave innocents SO **** THEM.
    Man, what a great response!


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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Everyone has their plan of course and is somewhat different than others.

    There are MANY countries - dictators and leaders of various kinds - in that region that want to take on ISIS for their own reasons and safety.

    Despite the "get out of the whole region" simplistic attitude, our economy is highly dependent good and interconnected relationship with many of those countries.

    We should invite and organize those countries, along with our own troops and forces, to do a land grab. Tell the Kurds it is a fight for their independence and if they fight and win we will recognize Kurdistan formally as a new country - that includes any ISIS territory they capture. Iran, Syria and Syrian fighters, Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - ISIS land and natural resources grab bag for the taking.

    The war itself to be fought as a war, not a police action, meaning ISIS towns and cities are leveled - civilians should flee, all suspected of being a fighter captured if not killed, and the entire area completely overrun by this lose composite (coalition). As for the government of Iraq? If Iraq even wants to exist at all as a country they better fight to protect what territory they can.

    It is in the USA's interest to be involved with those countries in this action, but that would result in it largely being Muslims killing Muslims.

    It is the half measures and tiptoe way of thinking being cautious to offend no one and try to make the bizarre claim we are fighting a moral NICE war - and there is no such thing as nice war or loving conquest.

    In this, some borders would be redefined as stand off lines between some allies come to be at odds. At that point, We're done. We don't rebuild anything or police anything. Every country that grabbed ISIS held territory does whatever it does or doesn't do.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Wow... Apparently your definition of "much safer" is averaging over a terrorist attack a day.... I guess you are one of those people who claim "Iraq was stable before we withdrew". But then again you are one of those who doesn't actually understand the withdrawal process (i'm pretty sure you have had this explained to you over and over again, but you keep on keeping on). But hey, "mission accomplished right"? But then again, how many terrorist casualties and attacks before we invaded?

    But then again, you are the one that refuses to recognize the giant unrest in the region is bigger than one person, so you keep on hammering the "its Obama's fault!" card.


    Man, what a great response!
    Walk on eggshells. Im not doing it.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Walk on eggshells. Im not doing it.
    I think your responses show that your hole point is not founded in reality. "Its safe", but averaging over a terrorist attack a day shows that it is not. Then you claim that "hey if we left troops behind, we will be awesome", but then a high ranking General disagrees with you. But hey keep it up! Maybe one day oceania will beat eurasia!


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