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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sorry. Once again, coming from the biggest imperialistic, warmongering nation in modern history, I give the UK's opinion on foreign policy, no credibility.
    That's only because it doesn't take a compromise and cooperation policy you espoused on another thread - a policy which could equally be called "appeasement."

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Whose foreign policies would you prefer?
    Not any of our policies.....might be a country who has never been involved in Foreign policy to be acceptable for him. See if everybody just stayed home and never went out to play.

    All would be like Rosie and the flowers wouldn't have thorns.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The Islamic state was unheard of a dozen years ago when Blair and Bush decided to attack, invade and occupy a country that had done neither of our countries any harm. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi nor Assad gave any quarters to Islamic extremists. It's a dozen years of failed US/UK policy in the Middle East that has given rise to these miscreants that are now plaguing the region. Those that caused the problem should not be the ones deciding how to deal with it. Time for the US/UK to sit down and shut up.
    So you would handle it by going back in time and casting blame. That appears to be your one constant strategy.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Actively send funds to arm the Kurds. Kurdish groups should be YPJ, YPG, and the PYD. I also believe troops should be in Iraq to only train Iraqi troops on the basis of that they will allow the establishment of a Kurdish state, and these troops should only remain there based on the Iraqi Parliaments agreement. I also think we should actively promote the allowment of Sunnis to enter the government and those who were once apart of the Ba'athist party to re-enter the Iraqi government. I also think we should enter into direct negotiations with the Syrian government, and Iranian government on how to combat this group. I think if anything we need to promote the direct regions to combat this group. We should not be "leading" this combat opposition. Those who are are a direct neighbor threat should be leading this counterinsurgency. Saudi, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, Lebanon, etc. I also believe that there are any clear links to states in any region, that show links to ISIS, and the Al-Nusra front we should immediately halt trade and economic talks with those countries until they clearly end those links and connections. I also believe we should end the training (which has been going on since 2011) with the "moderate rebels" within Syria. Many of these "moderate rebels" are working with many of these terrorist groups. We need to show the Syrian government that we are willing to work with them to combat groups such as ISIS and Al-Nusra. Our indirect support for these groups (which indirectly come from many of these "moderate rebels") only destabilizes the region more and causes more war
    I like your strategy because it is, finally, a strategy.

    The tricky part is encouraging 'allowment' while still respecting local sovereignty.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    1.)No this doenst confrim anything when it comes to my "own partisanship.". If you would of read your article it actually backs up my points I made earlier, especially relating to the failure of the Iraqi gov; "Announcing the 2013 death toll, the UN head of mission in Iraq, Nickolay Mladenov, said: "This is a sad and terrible record which confirms once again the urgent need for the Iraqi authorities to address the roots of violence to curb this infernal circle.".

    Also with the graph you posted, how does it back up your point? I know you want to pin this all on Obama, but Obama was president since 2008... Attacks went down for 3 year straight....... But then... God damnit, I know what you are going to blame this one,..... "If only we left troops behind... It was Obamas fault we puled out"... Right? Is this the argument you are goin to state.. If so please do...


    Oh wow! I mean I wonder why troop casualties decreased!? Its not like President Bush declared a draw down, then a deal coundlnt be made between the US gov and Iraqi gov to decrease troops even more until US troops were gone...



    Worked?!?!? Iraq was apart of the global war on terror. Iraq had basically no terrorist attacks in the country, no presence of terrorist groups, what happened once we invaded!? It became the jiahdi playground. If you think this strategy has worked, you are crazy.

    #of terrorist attacks in Iraq
    Looks like a real winner!

    After 13 years, 2 wars and trillions in military spending, terrorist attacks are rising sharply - The Washington Post
    Have fun with the giant money suck and the war between eastaisia and eurasia. Just remember, it never ends.
    Hmm try real hard here-what happened in 07? Oh! It was the surge that the left said wouldnt work. Also note the spike after we left, I'd love to see the most current figures, but undoubtedly they are worse.
    And in the end, the number of attacks concerns me less than the number of innocents killed.

    You may not like the fact that a presence and commitment works, but it does, and it will again.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Helping the Kurds is key I agree my only worry is with Turkey and how they will react to a potential free Kurdish state which could potentially happen especially if we arm them/ fund them. Another worry with that is that if were to support the Kurds we could potentially see Iraq break up as each region looks to defend its borders and its own cultural identity.
    I like most of your points except negotiation with the Assad government, Don't you think that given the weapons he has used and the brutal tactics he has been implementing that the West could possibly discredit itself by entering talks with them? Especially given the relationship they have with Russia?
    Turkey has had its chance and shown itself happy to sit watching Kobane burn, ISIS recruits openly walking past Turkish border guards into Syria (and back).

    We aren't doing enough to coerce Turkey to take a stand, the Kurds should be supported much more, they are dying in large numbers at the hands of ISIS and I think if we start training and arming the Kurds with much more potent weaponry then Turkey would be pressured into doing more than she does now.

    as for the breakup of Iraq - do you remember a few years ago when the idea was first mooted as the sunni / shia strife started to really take hold? Some (including on DP and myself) argued this should have happened when it could have been managed peaceably. Nouri al-Maliki and Turkey argued for Iraq to be kept whole and their ideas and policies have failed. Their reasons for keeping Iraq as a contiguous nation were not for the right reasons.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Turkey has had its chance and shown itself happy to sit watching Kobane burn, ISIS recruits openly walking past Turkish border guards into Syria (and back).

    We aren't doing enough to coerce Turkey to take a stand, the Kurds should be supported much more, they are dying in large numbers at the hands of ISIS and I think if we start training and arming the Kurds with much more potent weaponry then Turkey would be pressured into doing more than she does now.

    as for the breakup of Iraq - do you remember a few years ago when the idea was first mooted as the sunni / shia strife started to really take hold? Some (including on DP and myself) argued this should have happened when it could have been managed peaceably. Nouri al-Maliki and Turkey argued for Iraq to be kept whole and their ideas and policies have failed. Their reasons for keeping Iraq as a contiguous nation were not for the right reasons.


    Heya IC. Yeah and the Kurds are Muslims and they are on the ground. They did push back today on a coordinated effort to break thru to Erbil. But they can't do it alone and with just the Iraqis.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya IC. Yeah and the Kurds are Muslims and they are on the ground. They did push back today on a coordinated effort to break thru to Erbil. But they can't do it alone and with just the Iraqis.
    After Iraqi troops dropped their weapons and ran when confronted by ISIS, I wouldn't rely on them either. The kurds have shown themselves prepared to die, throw men and women into the front line and more importantly, in one video I saw on ISIS recruits walking past Turkish border troops - they were the only ones trying to stop the recruits entering Syria.

    If a country called "Kurdistan" appears from all this, they will have deserved it completely.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes of course, your own country's fault, your DOMINATION (as you confess in your post) of the Middle East and a couple centuries of imperialism in which you raped and vandalised and exploited every ****ing thing you could lift from three fourths of the world, and now you stand up here and point a finger of ****ing blame. How about a little humility for a change, an apology and a leg up for the lives you've destroyed for so long. Maybe its time for the ****ing UK to sit down, shut the **** up and leave the rest of the world alone, hear? Do you hear??
    What a pointless rant.

    No blame to the history of the Ottomans, House of Saud, Abdul Wahab - it's all the fault of Britain.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    After Iraqi troops dropped their weapons and ran when confronted by ISIS, I wouldn't rely on them either. The kurds have shown themselves prepared to die, throw men and women into the front line and more importantly, in one video I saw on ISIS recruits walking past Turkish border troops - they were the only ones trying to stop the recruits entering Syria.

    If a country called "Kurdistan" appears from all this, they will have deserved it completely.
    We've screwed them over too many times. They are like a loyal dog that keeps coming back-they absolutely deserve a nation.

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