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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    How would you handle ISIS? I'm not a fan of occupation myself but would be interested to hear your idea for an alternative.
    Actively send funds to arm the Kurds. Kurdish groups should be YPJ, YPG, and the PYD. I also believe troops should be in Iraq to only train Iraqi troops on the basis of that they will allow the establishment of a Kurdish state, and these troops should only remain there based on the Iraqi Parliaments agreement. I also think we should actively promote the allowment of Sunnis to enter the government and those who were once apart of the Ba'athist party to re-enter the Iraqi government. I also think we should enter into direct negotiations with the Syrian government, and Iranian government on how to combat this group. I think if anything we need to promote the direct regions to combat this group. We should not be "leading" this combat opposition. Those who are are a direct neighbor threat should be leading this counterinsurgency. Saudi, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, Lebanon, etc. I also believe that there are any clear links to states in any region, that show links to ISIS, and the Al-Nusra front we should immediately halt trade and economic talks with those countries until they clearly end those links and connections. I also believe we should end the training (which has been going on since 2011) with the "moderate rebels" within Syria. Many of these "moderate rebels" are working with many of these terrorist groups. We need to show the Syrian government that we are willing to work with them to combat groups such as ISIS and Al-Nusra. Our indirect support for these groups (which indirectly come from many of these "moderate rebels") only destabilizes the region more and causes more war


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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes of course, your own country's fault, your DOMINATION (as you confess in your post) of the Middle East and a couple centuries of imperialism in which you raped and vandalised and exploited every ****ing thing you could lift from three fourths of the world, and now you stand up here and point a finger of ****ing blame. How about a little humility for a change, an apology and a leg up for the lives you've destroyed for so long. Maybe its time for the ****ing UK to sit down, shut the **** up and leave the rest of the world alone, hear? Do you hear??
    Whats with the attitude? We all know that the ME was a bastion of peace and prosperity before colonialism, dont we?

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Think of Iraq after we committed to the surge, thats what Im after. We could draw down greatly once the situation is generally calmed. We need to establish that we are committed to fighting them and in it for the long haul. That probably means decades.
    Oh boy! Occupying Iraq for decades! What could go wrong!? ( I mean even tho during the surge terrorists attacks drastically increased, and during the time of the occupation terrorist attacks did not decrease,and jihadist group recruitment increased!)


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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Actively send funds to arm the Kurds. Kurdish groups should be YPJ, YPG, and the PYD. I also believe troops should be in Iraq to only train Iraqi troops on the basis of that they will allow the establishment of a Kurdish state, and these troops should only remain there based on the Iraqi Parliaments agreement. I also think we should actively promote the allowment of Sunnis to enter the government and those who were once apart of the Ba'athist party to re-enter the Iraqi government. I also think we should enter into direct negotiations with the Syrian government, and Iranian government on how to combat this group. I think if anything we need to promote the direct regions to combat this group. We should not be "leading" this combat opposition. Those who are are a direct neighbor threat should be leading this counterinsurgency. Saudi, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, Lebanon, etc. I also believe that there are any clear links to states in any region, that show links to ISIS, and the Al-Nusra front we should immediately halt trade and economic talks with those countries until they clearly end those links and connections. I also believe we should end the training (which has been going on since 2011) with the "moderate rebels" within Syria. Many of these "moderate rebels" are working with many of these terrorist groups. We need to show the Syrian government that we are willing to work with them to combat groups such as ISIS and Al-Nusra. Our indirect support for these groups (which indirectly come from many of these "moderate rebels") only destabilizes the region more and causes more war
    What makes you think the Syrians want to work with us after Obama called for Assad to step down and then started aiding people to oust him?
    What if a solely arab coalition cant or wont fight, or is losing? Then what?

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh boy! Occupying Iraq for decades! What could go wrong!? ( I mean even tho during the surge terrorists attacks drastically increased, and during the time of the occupation terrorist attacks did not decrease,and jihadist group recruitment increased!)
    Thats funny, from your interpretation things got worse after the surge. Hint, they got worse after Obama pulled out for politics.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    You mean like in 1940 when the UK was the only country in the fight against the Nazis? Should the UK of sat down then?

    The middle east has had its issues with western involvement however imperialism ended a long time ago, the Arab nations have been very busy getting rich and as I said before arming themselves. Maybe its time they stepped up?
    Imperialism has never ended.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Actively send funds to arm the Kurds. Kurdish groups should be YPJ, YPG, and the PYD. I also believe troops should be in Iraq to only train Iraqi troops on the basis of that they will allow the establishment of a Kurdish state, and these troops should only remain there based on the Iraqi Parliaments agreement. I also think we should actively promote the allowment of Sunnis to enter the government and those who were once apart of the Ba'athist party to re-enter the Iraqi government. I also think we should enter into direct negotiations with the Syrian government, and Iranian government on how to combat this group. I think if anything we need to promote the direct regions to combat this group. We should not be "leading" this combat opposition. Those who are are a direct neighbor threat should be leading this counterinsurgency. Saudi, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, Lebanon, etc. I also believe that there are any clear links to states in any region, that show links to ISIS, and the Al-Nusra front we should immediately halt trade and economic talks with those countries until they clearly end those links and connections. I also believe we should end the training (which has been going on since 2011) with the "moderate rebels" within Syria. Many of these "moderate rebels" are working with many of these terrorist groups. We need to show the Syrian government that we are willing to work with them to combat groups such as ISIS and Al-Nusra. Our indirect support for these groups (which indirectly come from many of these "moderate rebels") only destabilizes the region more and causes more war
    Helping the Kurds is key I agree my only worry is with Turkey and how they will react to a potential free Kurdish state which could potentially happen especially if we arm them/ fund them. Another worry with that is that if were to support the Kurds we could potentially see Iraq break up as each region looks to defend its borders and its own cultural identity.
    I like most of your points except negotiation with the Assad government, Don't you think that given the weapons he has used and the brutal tactics he has been implementing that the West could possibly discredit itself by entering talks with them? Especially given the relationship they have with Russia?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats funny, from your interpretation things got worse after the surge. Hint, they got worse after Obama pulled out for politics.
    This only shows how truly partisan you are, and how your agenda is only to lay blames at one presidents feet.


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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Whats with the attitude? We all know that the ME was a bastion of peace and prosperity before colonialism, dont we?
    Imperial/colonial powers, as I said, for a couple centuries, raping and vandalising the planet, coming around now and blaming people for not having their **** together. I think that's a bit sick.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Imperialism has never ended.
    I think the billions the Arab emirates are sitting on would argue that. But hey if you want to continue to blame the past why not get mad at the Germanic tribes that sacked Rome and put us in the dark agezs?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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