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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "And yet the risks of escalation are enormous. The biggest proponent of an American invasion is the Islamic State itself. The provocative videos, in which a black-hooded executioner addresses President Obama by name, are clearly made to draw America into the fight. An invasion would be a huge propaganda victory for jihadists worldwide: irrespective of whether they have given baya’a to the caliph, they all believe that the United States wants to embark on a modern-day Crusade and kill Muslims. Yet another invasion and occupation would confirm that suspicion, and bolster recruitment. Add the incompetence of our previous efforts as occupiers, and we have reason for reluctance. The rise of ISIS, after all, happened only because our previous occupation created space for Zarqawi and his followers. Who knows the consequences of another botched job?" What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic


    I agree


    Huh?
    So we go in an put bullets in their face, and then we stay after. This isn't an insurmountable task by any means. Courage...

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The bedroom fanatics will come around once ISIS isn't the baddest boy on the block. We need to take them down a peg.
    I think the only way to end this cycle is for the Arab world to step up. Their inability to defend themselves is partially the West's fault dating back to my own countries domination of the middle east in the 20th century and most recently NATO's presence in the region. If young Muslims start to see more countries like Jordan take a stand then they will have a new " fight", it can't be European boots or US boots on the ground and it should not be our bombs because that's what they want. Saudi Arabia are sitting on a massive amount of firepower and its time they stepped up, if they wont I say we let them rot.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I think the only way to end this cycle is for the Arab world to step up. Their inability to defend themselves is partially the West's fault dating back to my own countries domination of the middle east in the 20th century and most recently NATO's presence in the region. If young Muslims start to see more countries like Jordan take a stand then they will have a new " fight", it can't be European boots or US boots on the ground and it should not be our bombs because that's what they want. Saudi Arabia are sitting on a massive amount of firepower and its time they stepped up, if they wont I say we let them rot.
    They dont even get along with each other (the Arabs). Obama has the opportunity to lead the largest Arab coalition to ever fight-and it wont be against Israel but ISIS.

    What the world needs right now is a strong leader, and there isn't one in Obama.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They dont even get along with each other (the Arabs). Obama has the opportunity to lead the largest Arab coalition to ever fight-and it wont be against Israel but ISIS.

    What the world needs right now is a strong leader, and there isn't one in Obama.
    Obama's response to ISIS has been laughable at best however personally I would rather see America engaged in Europe especially with Russia poking their nose about and thus far the EU has been completely inept at handling Putin. I notice that the US moved a dozen A-10's to Germany this month, for training they say....
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So we go in an put bullets in their face, and then we stay after. This isn't an insurmountable task by any means. Courage...
    So we "stay after"? How long do you want to occupy this country? How long do you want to "stay after"? Man you make it sound so easy. Occupying a country, sounds easy.... Especially in the face of resistance....


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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Obama's response to ISIS has been laughable at best however personally I would rather see America engaged in Europe especially with Russia poking their nose about and thus far the EU has been completely inept at handling Putin. I notice that the US moved a dozen A-10's to Germany this month, for training they say....
    At the time being I think ISIS is the greater threat as an unstable ME is going to be a constant problem (as we see).
    However, I also agree we should be increasing our presence and certainly talking tougher with Russia. We also need to help our allies in eastern and central europe continue to arm up.

    Putin may get the message, maybe not.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So we "stay after"? How long do you want to occupy this country? How long do you want to "stay after"? Man you make it sound so easy. Occupying a country, sounds easy.... Especially in the face of resistance....

    How would you handle ISIS? I'm not a fan of occupation myself but would be interested to hear your idea for an alternative.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So we "stay after"? How long do you want to occupy this country? How long do you want to "stay after"? Man you make it sound so easy. Occupying a country, sounds easy.... Especially in the face of resistance....
    Think of Iraq after we committed to the surge, thats what Im after. We could draw down greatly once the situation is generally calmed. We need to establish that we are committed to fighting them and in it for the long haul. That probably means decades.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I think the only way to end this cycle is for the Arab world to step up. Their inability to defend themselves is partially the West's fault dating back to my own countries domination of the middle east in the 20th century and most recently NATO's presence in the region. If young Muslims start to see more countries like Jordan take a stand then they will have a new " fight", it can't be European boots or US boots on the ground and it should not be our bombs because that's what they want. Saudi Arabia are sitting on a massive amount of firepower and its time they stepped up, if they wont I say we let them rot.
    Yes of course, your own country's fault, your DOMINATION (as you confess in your post) of the Middle East and a couple centuries of imperialism in which you raped and vandalised and exploited every ****ing thing you could lift from three fourths of the world, and now you stand up here and point a finger of ****ing blame. How about a little humility for a change, an apology and a leg up for the lives you've destroyed for so long. Maybe its time for the ****ing UK to sit down, shut the **** up and leave the rest of the world alone, hear? Do you hear??
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes of course, your own country's fault, your DOMINATION (as you confess in your post) of the Middle East and a couple centuries of imperialism in which you raped and vandalised and exploited every ****ing thing you could lift from three fourths of the world, and now you stand up here and point a finger of ****ing blame. How about a little humility for a change, an apology and a leg up for the lives you've destroyed for so long. Maybe its time for the ****ing UK to sit down, shut the **** up and leave the rest of the world alone, hear? Do you hear??

    You mean like in 1940 when the UK was the only country in the fight against the Nazis? Should the UK of sat down then?

    The middle east has had its issues with western involvement however imperialism ended a long time ago, the Arab nations have been very busy getting rich and as I said before arming themselves. Maybe its time they stepped up?
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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