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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Completely agree with you that they are trying desperately for us to send in ground forces. The only way I think we should oblige is with ground forces and an Armageddon battle plan combined with a well-planned propaganda program to explain what and why we're doing what we're doing. Sounds corny, probably, but drop leaflets everywhere. Using ground troops to hold safe havens. And air to destroy these sorry examples of humanity.

    So says Maggie Patton.
    The way I see this there are really only two ways to defeat these people. Either the countries in the region find the will to turn against ISIS and defeat them themselves or we go in with a full out military offensive complete with a 50+ year occupation plan... which history has shown numerous times we do not have the stomach for.

    We could offer military aid, we could even support them with air power, training, and intelligence, but they have to be the ones out front taking the battle to ISIS. If we have to do it for them it will just end up being another quagmire.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The way I see this there are really only two ways to defeat these people. Either the countries in the region find the will to turn against ISIS and defeat them themselves or we go in with a full out military offensive complete with a 50+ year occupation plan... which history has shown numerous times we do not have the stomach for.

    We could offer military aid, we could even support them with air power, training, and intelligence, but they have to be the ones out front taking the battle to ISIS. If we have to do it for them it will just end up being another quagmire.

    Heya Jack. In January of this year.....we had some come up with a plan. It takes defining the enemy and having a strategy. Not just a goal.


    The enemy is the Global Jihad Movement. And it is inspired, guided, and enabled by the Islamic supremacist doctrine its adherents call shariah.

    For much of this period, the U.S. government has pursued various approaches to the threats posed by that enemy – including selective military engagements, benign neglect, willful blindness, and outright appeasement. They have all shared one common denominator: They ignore the aforementioned realities and, as a practical matter, have exacerbated them. Yet, no one has advanced a more reality-based, more practical and more effective way to counter, let alone defeat, this ideologically driven enemy. Until now. The “Secure Freedom Strategy” offers a detailed prescription for a clear-eyed understanding of the enemy we confront and actionable steps for vanquishing it. Its key components include:

    Understanding the Enemy’s Threat Doctrine:
    Establishing Our Objective:
    Reestablishing “Peace Through Strength”:
    Counter-Ideological Warfare:
    Intelligence Operations:
    Economic Warfighting:
    Cyber Warfighting:.....snip~

    Center for Security Policy | It’s Time For The ‘Secure Freedom’ Strategy

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This is what you want dropped by leaflet in the ME?????

    PROPAGANDA
    derogatory
    information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
    "he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda"
    I thought something more like this:

    EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

    ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE. EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
    Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days.

    The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all powerful countries of the world are now at war with you.

    Also, because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic bomb.

    A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s could have carried on a single mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed.

    Before we use this bomb again and again to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, petition the emperor now to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.

    Act at once or we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

    EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I thought something more like this:
    But you said propaganda, prolly just a Freudian slip.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Pete.....even this Left wing Liberal writer gets it. This is one of truly the best written pieces and or articles that's out there on these guys. One has to give the proper kudos. Note what he says and how it is the exact opposite of what you are saying. Like BO and his Team.....all this has done, is hurt the fight against the problem.



    There is a temptation to rehearse this observation—that jihadists are modern secular people, with modern political concerns, wearing medieval religious disguise—and make it fit the Islamic State. In fact, much of what the group does looks nonsensical except in light of a sincere, carefully considered commitment to returning civilization to a seventh-century legal environment, and ultimately to bringing about the apocalypse. The most-articulate spokesmen for that position are the Islamic State’s officials and supporters themselves. They refer derisively to “moderns.” In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers. They often speak in codes and allusions that sound odd or old-fashioned to non-Muslims, but refer to specific traditions and texts of early Islam.

    The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

    Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and pronouncements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationery, and coins, “the Prophetic methodology,” which means following the prophecy and example of Muhammad, in punctilious detail. Muslims can reject the Islamic State; nearly all do. But pretending that it isn’t actually a religious, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combatted, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it. We’ll need to get acquainted with the Islamic State’s intellectual genealogy if we are to react in a way that will not strengthen it, but instead help it self-immolate in its own excessive zeal......snip~

    What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic
    They are also, for the moment, winning the propaganda wars with charges of "Islamophobia" and the continued charges of attacks by non Muslims, despite these seldom, if ever occurring. They even have their own 'good cop/bad cop' thing happening where Al Qaeda, who also shares a history of beheading innocents, is saying that ISIS is too 'extreme'.

    If people simply acquiesce to a more Islamic way of life none of this nasty stuff really has to happen.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And again you and the writer of the article do not get it.. it is about power and all they are doing, is using the Koran as an excuse to justify their actions. It is no different to what Hitler did or other crack pot mass murdering psychos through out history. It is no different than Warren Jeffs, David Koresh and so on. The leader of ISIS has a harem.. just like Koresh and Jeffs had "harems" of willing brainwashed women/girls.

    While politicians in the west tend to go the more legit way by getting elected, the leaders of ISIS went the violent way... but ultimately they are very much alike in the wish for power.
    So 'it's all about harems', huh? I was wondering what the next leftist rallying cry might be.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They are also, for the moment, winning the propaganda wars with charges of "Islamophobia" and the continued charges of attacks by non Muslims, despite these seldom, if ever occurring. They even have their own 'good cop/bad cop' thing happening where Al Qaeda, who also shares a history of beheading innocents, is saying that ISIS is too 'extreme'.

    If people simply acquiesce to a more Islamic way of life none of this nasty stuff really has to happen.

    Mornin Grant Yeah I have seen how some are all caught up into the propaganda of ISIS against AQ. Ansar Sharia against ISIS. The media trying to play on it. The Terrorists don't mind.....while they work together or against one another. As they Know for each group.....the end game is the same thing. All that matters is who will be in charge. For the rest that don't submit and or convert. Nothing changes.

    So they do have a theory similar to those of today in that aspect.

    Even the Saud with their United States of Islam, and the many that believe in Shariah there as well.

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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Please source that bolded part.
    Oh Christ, it was a joke.
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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Oh Christ, it was a joke.
    Ah, okay. I didn't realize this was a subject for jokes.
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    Re: ISIS reportedly burns 45 people alive

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your approach to every problem caused by poor US policy.
    More excuses.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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