Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

GPS_Flex · Feb 17, 2015

A federal judge in Texas issued an order late Monday temporarily blocking a federal immigration program that would have potentially shielded millions from deportation.

The Justice Dept. plans to waste even more tax payer's money by appealing this ruling to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

“This injunction makes it clear that the president is not a law unto himself, and must work with our elected leaders in Congress and satisfy the courts in a fashion our Founding Fathers envisioned,” Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said in a statement late Monday.

Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Obama seems more interested in working with despots and others who threaten the USA than he does his own Congress or our allies.

A statement by White House press secretary Josh Earnest restated the administration's position that Obama's executive actions were within the bounds of legality.
"The Supreme Court and Congress have made clear that the federal government can set priorities in enforcing our immigration laws-which is exactly what the President did when he announced commonsense policies to help fix our broken immigration system," Earnest said, later adding "The district court's decision wrongly prevents these lawful, commonsense policies from taking effect and the Department of Justice has indicated that it will appeal that decision."

Federal judge temporarily blocks Obama's immigration executive action

I'm sorry but "commonsense policies to help fix our broken immigration system" is a legislative action constitutionally reserved only to Congress. Maybe the emperor should read/respect Article II, Section 3, Clause 5 "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" and Article II, Section 3, Clause 2 "recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient". You'd think he was familiar with these areas of the Constitution.

GPS_Flex · Feb 17, 2015

Looks like someone posted same topic right before I finished building & posting this one. Merge threads? Thanks.

Citizen.Seven · Feb 17, 2015

There's certainly a common sense difference between allocating finite resources to faithfully execute the law and announcing that the laws will not be enforced at all. In fact, the lawbreakers would be given amnesty for their crimes and federal resources to make their actions retroactively legal or at least unprosecutable.

MMC · Feb 17, 2015

It appears Abbot is more than just a thorn in BO's side.....huh? Naturally Team BO thinks they are in the legal. Although Jooooash, didn't mention anything about the 22 times BO said he didn't have the authority to do what he did.

"This temporary injunction enjoins the implementation of the DAPA program that awards legal presence and additional benefits to the four million or more individuals potentially covered by the DAOA Memorandum and to the three expansions/additions to the DACA program also contained in the same DAPA Memorandum. It does not enjoin or impair the Secretary's ability to marshal his assets or deploy the resources of the DHS. It does not enjoin the Secretary's ability to set priorities for the DHS. It does not enjoin the previously instituted 2012 DACA program except for the expansions created in the November 20, 2014 DAPA Memorandum." The federal government has been blocked from temporarily implementing both.

"President Obama abdicted his responsibility to uphold the United States Constitution when he attempted to circumvent the laws passed by Congress via executive fiat, and Judge Hanen's decision rightly stops the president's overreach in its tracks," Abbott said in a statement. "We live in a nation governed by a system of checks and balances, and the president's attempt to by-pass the will of the American people was successfully checked today. The District Court's ruling is very clear -- it prevents the President from implementing the policies in 'any and all aspects.'"....snip~

BREAKING OVERNIGHT: Federal Judge Blocks Obama's Executive Action on Illegal Immigration - Katie Pavlich

leoborn · Feb 17, 2015

GPS_Flex said:
The Justice Dept. plans to waste even more tax payer's money by appealing this ruling to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

Obama seems more interested in working with despots and others who threaten the USA than he does his own Congress or our allies.

Federal judge temporarily blocks Obama's immigration executive action

I'm sorry but "commonsense policies to help fix our broken immigration system" is a legislative action constitutionally reserved only to Congress. Maybe the emperor should read/respect Article II, Section 3, Clause 5 "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" and Article II, Section 3, Clause 2 "recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient". You'd think he was familiar with these areas of the Constitution.

:agree: We do not have a broken immigration system. What is broken is the enforcement of our immigration laws! How stupid does Obama think we are? He's starting to believe his own propaganda! These people are illegals who have broken our law, and we should not pander to them just because they shout louder than anyone else! Americans don't like bullies!

OrphanSlug · Feb 17, 2015

Bound to happen, Obama went too far with executive action.

Ockham · Feb 17, 2015

leoborn said:
:agree: We do not have a broken immigration system. What is broken is the enforcement of our immigration laws! How stupid does Obama think we are?

Stupid enough to elect him twice. Stupid enough, as a constitutional law professor at Havard, that his encroachment of the Constitution will draw zero response and that the stupid people will just roll their eyes at accusations and go back to "hillbilly handfishing" on TBS. We are an idiocracy.

MMC · Feb 17, 2015

OrphanSlug said:
Bound to happen, Obama went too far with executive action.

Mornin' OS. Well.....that will hold up the EIC that BO was looking to give out for the last 3 years too.

They will have to re-do the math now.

tres borrachos · Feb 17, 2015

OrphanSlug said:
Bound to happen, Obama went too far with executive action.

I was going to say the same thing. I can't imagine anyone would be surprised at this. Obama's plan was doomed before he ever got a chance to execute it.

leoborn · Feb 17, 2015

Ockham said:
Stupid enough to elect him twice. Stupid enough, as a constitutional law professor at Havard, that his encroachment of the Constitution will draw zero response and that the stupid people will just roll their eyes at accusations and go back to "hillbilly handfishing" on TBS. We are an idiocracy.

Those who depend on government to provide for them have no problem voting to continue the handouts. To take that benefit away would mean they would have to show some personal pride and become self reliant, and that is not easy in todays world. It's really nothing more than the 21st century version of slavery for many, and they are the idiocracy who are too stupid to recognize that. This does not apply to the handicapped or those who are sick and truly need the help, but most do not fall in that category.

CanadaJohn · Feb 17, 2015

Obama's penchant for ignoring or issuing executive orders to officially ignore legislation he doesn't like is usually condoned and cheered on by those on the left who support the moves.

It usually makes me wonder how those on the left would feel if, as an example, a Republican President decided to ignore or issue executive orders that effectively eliminated application of federal civil rights legislation, or federal labour laws, or federal hate laws, or some other law they support.

My point being that no American should be happy about a President who takes it upon himself to decide what laws are valid and worthy or support and what laws aren't.

pbrauer · Feb 17, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
Obama's penchant for ignoring or issuing executive orders to officially ignore legislation he doesn't like is usually condoned and cheered on by those on the left who support the moves.

It usually makes me wonder how those on the left would feel if, as an example, a Republican President decided to ignore or issue executive orders that effectively eliminated application of federal civil rights legislation, or federal labour laws, or federal hate laws, or some other law they support.

My point being that no American should be happy about a President who takes it upon himself to decide what laws are valid and worthy or support and what laws aren't.

President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

The decision by the Texas judge is only temporary.

You Can Find One Judge To Do Anything, Immigration Edition by Ed Kilgore | Political Animal | The Washington Monthly

Bob Blaylock · Feb 17, 2015

leoborn said:
:agree: We do not have a broken immigration system. What is broken is the enforcement of our immigration laws! How stupid does Obama think we are? He's starting to believe his own propaganda! These people are illegals who have broken our law, and we should not pander to them just because they shout louder than anyone else! Americans don't like bullies!

The real problem is an administration that not only refuses to do its job, but is willfully acting against its duty, committing what amounts to felony-level malfeasance. The federal government has a duty, explicitly assigned to it under the Constitution, to defend this nation against foreign invaders. The actions of this corrupt administration are comparable, on a grander scale, to those of a security guard, who invites burglars into a store that he is supposed to be guarding and helps them steal the inventory. For this alone, Barack Obama ought to be removed from office, prosecuted as a criminal, and sentenced to a very long time in prison.

Furthermore, giving aid and comfort to invading foreign criminals, against the interests of the nation and its people, meets the Constitutional definition of treason.

Bob Blaylock · Feb 17, 2015

pbrauer said:
President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Solid digestive waste from a male bovine.

He isn't just failing to uphold and execute the law, as his position requires of him.

He has been actively and willfully violating the law; and inciting other parts of government to do likewise. This isn't any rational expression of “prosecutorial discretion”; it is outright, willful criminality. Malfeasance, treason, and conspiracy to commit same. He belongs in prison, not in the White House.

leoborn · Feb 17, 2015

pbrauer said:
President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

The decision by the Texas judge is only temporary.

You Can Find One Judge To Do Anything, Immigration Edition by Ed Kilgore | Political Animal | The Washington Monthly

WTF? !! He is choosing who to prosecute based on what laws are valid and worthy of his support? All laws are valid or no one would have to obey any of them! Care to revise your statement, since it doesn't make sense?

CanadaJohn · Feb 17, 2015

pbrauer said:
President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

The decision by the Texas judge is only temporary.

You Can Find One Judge To Do Anything, Immigration Edition by Ed Kilgore | Political Animal | The Washington Monthly

When the President is, in effect, the prosecutor, he is, in fact, picking and choosing which laws he supports and which he doesn't.

However, your analogy is a false one. When a prosecutor uses discretion, he takes a particular set of facts and adjudges whether or not the time of his/her office and the courts in prosecuting the crime serves the interests of the jurisdiction he/she serves. President Obama did no such thing. He issued a blanket "amnesty" without any specific facts or details related to each individual case. The equivalent would be if a prosecutor decided he/she was no longer going to take to trial all pimps because he/she didn't believe the law was appropriate or relevant and even though pimps were breaking the law, they were providing a valuable service to the community, even if the community, by and large, didn't agree.

clownboy · Feb 17, 2015

pbrauer said:
President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

The decision by the Texas judge is only temporary.

You Can Find One Judge To Do Anything, Immigration Edition by Ed Kilgore | Political Animal | The Washington Monthly

That's entirely false. Prosecutorial discretion would only halt prosecution, not allow the subject benefits.

bubbabgone · Feb 17, 2015

I especially like the Admin's reasoning that they have been granted the authority by Congress and the Courts to use discretion as to how the Laws are applied.
The Judge said bull****, you're ignoring the Law.

He also noted something I had been wondering about.
Obama keeps saying if Congress would only act He<sic> wouldn't have to.
That sure as hell implies Obama is taking actions he knows he's not entitled to, and has even said so many many times..

Fearandloathing · Feb 17, 2015

pbrauer said:
President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

The decision by the Texas judge is only temporary.

You Can Find One Judge To Do Anything, Immigration Edition by Ed Kilgore | Political Animal | The Washington Monthly

As usual you are comparing apples and rocks.

Police and prosecutors throughout history have decided what laws to enforce and when, cops know that buckling down on minor offenses is counter productive unless there is a demonstrated problem. The level of enforcement is always based on the local community's interests.

However

Obama has made a unilateral blanket amnesty as a result of a political decision based on the results of the 2014 election disaster. He has not consulted the states affected in fact is going entriely against their will and has initiated law suits to actively and aggressively restrict or ban prosecutions of illegals.

That sir, is a lot of giant steps away from 'practical community policing'

Taylor · Feb 17, 2015

pbrauer said:
President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute

"Picking and choosing who to prosecute" is an even bigger power-grab than "picking and choosing which laws are valid" at least in the latter case there's some sort of semblance of consistency?

pbrauer · Feb 17, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
When the President is, in effect, the prosecutor, he is, in fact, picking and choosing which laws he supports and which he doesn't.

However, your analogy is a false one. When a prosecutor uses discretion, he takes a particular set of facts and adjudges whether or not the time of his/her office and the courts in prosecuting the crime serves the interests of the jurisdiction he/she serves. President Obama did no such thing. He issued a blanket "amnesty" without any specific facts or details related to each individual case. The equivalent would be if a prosecutor decided he/she was no longer going to take to trial all pimps because he/she didn't believe the law was appropriate or relevant and even though pimps were breaking the law, they were providing a valuable service to the community, even if the community, by and large, didn't agree.

Baloney! The President said the individuals must be crime free (besides crossing the border) and must pass a background check. He still is prosecuting those people who are breaking ou laws. There are laws against speeding. Either the cop or the judge can dismiss your "crime" against speeding depending on how much you were over the speed limit.

AliHajiSheik · Feb 17, 2015

pbrauer said:
Baloney! The President said the individuals must be crime free (besides crossing the border) and must pass a background check. He still is prosecuting those people who are breaking ou laws. There are laws against speeding. Either the cop or the judge can dismiss your "crime" against speeding depending on how much you were over the speed limit.

Would you consider the use of a false Social Security number to be a crime?

pbrauer · Feb 17, 2015

Fearandloathing said:
As usual you are comparing apples and rocks.

Police and prosecutors throughout history have decided what laws to enforce and when, cops know that buckling down on minor offenses is counter productive unless there is a demonstrated problem. The level of enforcement is always based on the local community's interests.

However

Obama has made a unilateral blanket amnesty as a result of a political decision based on the results of the 2014 election disaster. He has not consulted the states affected in fact is going entriely against their will and has initiated law suits to actively and aggressively restrict or ban prosecutions of illegals.

That sir, is a lot of giant steps away from 'practical community policing'

You are wrong Sir, the president is NOT picking and choosing which laws to enforce. He picking individuals who come forward and identifying who they are and they must be crime free.

humbolt · Feb 17, 2015

pbrauer said:
Baloney! The President said the individuals must be crime free (besides crossing the border) and must pass a background check. He still is prosecuting those people who are breaking ou laws. There are laws against speeding. Either the cop or the judge can dismiss your "crime" against speeding depending on how much you were over the speed limit.

How in the hell would the president know? The government doesn't even know where these people are, much less who they actually are. The only thing they're certain of is a sure democrat vote if they are allowed to stay, a tax refund for taxes never paid, a driver's license, and preferential hiring and education treatment. So the public gets to pay for the purchase of democrat votes for a policy they don't endorse, and you and the left think this is a fair and winning strategy? You guys are nuts. Completely ****ing nuts. I pray this bites you guys so bad there won't be another one of you in the WH for a hundred years. Complete assholes, and proud of it. Just remember the president also said we could keep our health insurance policies if we liked them too. Same guy, just different BS in this case.

pbrauer · Feb 17, 2015

humbolt said:
How in the hell would the president know? The government doesn't even know where these people are, much less who they actually are. The only thing they're certain of is a sure democrat vote if they are allowed to stay, a tax refund for taxes never paid, a driver's license, and preferential hiring and education treatment. So the public gets to pay for the purchase of democrat votes for a policy they don't endorse, and you and the left think this is a fair and winning strategy? You guys are nuts. Completely ****ing nuts. I pray this bites you guys so bad there won't be another one of you in the WH for a hundred years. Complete assholes, and proud of it. Just remember the president also said we could keep our health insurance policies if we liked them too. Same guy, just different BS in this case.

How does he know, you're kidding right? He knows when the alien applies for the status.

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