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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    When the President is, in effect, the prosecutor, he is, in fact, picking and choosing which laws he supports and which he doesn't.

    However, your analogy is a false one. When a prosecutor uses discretion, he takes a particular set of facts and adjudges whether or not the time of his/her office and the courts in prosecuting the crime serves the interests of the jurisdiction he/she serves. President Obama did no such thing. He issued a blanket "amnesty" without any specific facts or details related to each individual case. The equivalent would be if a prosecutor decided he/she was no longer going to take to trial all pimps because he/she didn't believe the law was appropriate or relevant and even though pimps were breaking the law, they were providing a valuable service to the community, even if the community, by and large, didn't agree.
    Baloney! The President said the individuals must be crime free (besides crossing the border) and must pass a background check. He still is prosecuting those people who are breaking ou laws. There are laws against speeding. Either the cop or the judge can dismiss your "crime" against speeding depending on how much you were over the speed limit.


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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Baloney! The President said the individuals must be crime free (besides crossing the border) and must pass a background check. He still is prosecuting those people who are breaking ou laws. There are laws against speeding. Either the cop or the judge can dismiss your "crime" against speeding depending on how much you were over the speed limit.
    Would you consider the use of a false Social Security number to be a crime?

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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    As usual you are comparing apples and rocks.

    Police and prosecutors throughout history have decided what laws to enforce and when, cops know that buckling down on minor offenses is counter productive unless there is a demonstrated problem. The level of enforcement is always based on the local community's interests.

    However

    Obama has made a unilateral blanket amnesty as a result of a political decision based on the results of the 2014 election disaster. He has not consulted the states affected in fact is going entriely against their will and has initiated law suits to actively and aggressively restrict or ban prosecutions of illegals.

    That sir, is a lot of giant steps away from 'practical community policing'
    You are wrong Sir, the president is NOT picking and choosing which laws to enforce. He picking individuals who come forward and identifying who they are and they must be crime free.


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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Baloney! The President said the individuals must be crime free (besides crossing the border) and must pass a background check. He still is prosecuting those people who are breaking ou laws. There are laws against speeding. Either the cop or the judge can dismiss your "crime" against speeding depending on how much you were over the speed limit.
    How in the hell would the president know? The government doesn't even know where these people are, much less who they actually are. The only thing they're certain of is a sure democrat vote if they are allowed to stay, a tax refund for taxes never paid, a driver's license, and preferential hiring and education treatment. So the public gets to pay for the purchase of democrat votes for a policy they don't endorse, and you and the left think this is a fair and winning strategy? You guys are nuts. Completely ****ing nuts. I pray this bites you guys so bad there won't be another one of you in the WH for a hundred years. Complete assholes, and proud of it. Just remember the president also said we could keep our health insurance policies if we liked them too. Same guy, just different BS in this case.

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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    How in the hell would the president know? The government doesn't even know where these people are, much less who they actually are. The only thing they're certain of is a sure democrat vote if they are allowed to stay, a tax refund for taxes never paid, a driver's license, and preferential hiring and education treatment. So the public gets to pay for the purchase of democrat votes for a policy they don't endorse, and you and the left think this is a fair and winning strategy? You guys are nuts. Completely ****ing nuts. I pray this bites you guys so bad there won't be another one of you in the WH for a hundred years. Complete assholes, and proud of it. Just remember the president also said we could keep our health insurance policies if we liked them too. Same guy, just different BS in this case.
    How does he know, you're kidding right? He knows when the alien applies for the status.


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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You are wrong Sir, the president is NOT picking and choosing which laws to enforce. He picking individuals who come forward and identifying who they are and they must be crime free.
    Really?

    Please cite the published parameters on which this largess is being applied.

    His buddies?

    His supporters?

    The rich?

    And by what legal process has Obama established these parameters.

    As usual your arguments are ultra vires, irrelevant and lame
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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You are wrong Sir, the president is NOT picking and choosing which laws to enforce. He picking individuals who come forward and identifying who they are and they must be crime free.
    Then they all fail! As they entered the country illegally. Thanks for siding with us PB.
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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How does he know, you're kidding right? He knows when the alien applies for the status.
    Immigration knows somebody applied. Tell me exactly how they verify anything - from, say Costa Rica. They don't have a freaking clue. Hell, Costa Rica doesn't have a clue. They're just glad whomever it might be is gone from their soil. You can't possibly be this naive. Tell me you're not. Please. These administration officials are the some one's that trusted these people to report, and guess what happened? They don't know where nearly 90% of them are. You're dreaming. They'll probably pop back up on radar when the tax refunds are being passed out. I'll give ya that.

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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You are wrong Sir, the president is NOT picking and choosing which laws to enforce.
    That's a load of BS and you know it. He's picking and choosing what to enforce - which by definition in the legal world is called prosecutorial discretion.
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    Re: Federal Judge Stalls Obama’s Executive Action on Immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    President Obama is not picking what laws are valid and worth of support, he is using Prosecutorial discretion which in a nutshell means he can choose who to prosecute and those who he will not prosecute.

    Prosecutorial discretion refers to the fact that under American law, government prosecuting attorneys have nearly absolute powers. A prosecuting attorney has power on various matters including those relating to choosing whether or not to bring criminal charges, deciding the nature of charges, plea bargaining and sentence recommendation. This discretion of the prosecuting attorney is called prosecutorial discretion.

    The decision by the Texas judge is only temporary.

    You Can Find One Judge To Do Anything, Immigration Edition by Ed Kilgore | Political Animal | The Washington Monthly
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's a load of BS and you know it. He's picking and choosing what to enforce - which by definition in the legal world is called prosecutorial discretion.
    You are exactly right, that's what he is doing. Thanks!


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