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Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

There's also polls that reveal that Americans are growing tired of US foreign Policy, period, not just when democrats advance it, not just when republicans advance it but period. We don't want what you're lobbying for, hear?
The only thing I lobby for is that a nuclear-armed Russia leave Ukraine alone. I would greatly prefer a diplomatic solution, but Putin isn't interested.
 
that doesn't mean we want some proxy war with Russia.
I certainly don't seek a US/Russia military confrontation. I have supported both diplomatic peace initiatives regarding Ukraine ... Minsk I and Minsk II.

But as is evident with the Debaltseve cauldron, Putin isn't all that interested in a diplomatic solution.

How the EU and US governments respond is up to neither you nor me.
 
Simpleχity;1064327790 said:
I certainly don't seek a US/Russia military confrontation. I have supported both diplomatic peace initiatives regarding Ukraine ... Minsk I and Minsk II.

But as is evident with the Debaltseve cauldron, Putin isn't all that interested in a diplomatic solution.

How the EU and US governments respond is up to neither you nor me.

whether i support the US getting involved is. and i don't. trying to mess up Russia's economy was a mistake, as well. it was a "doing something" half measure, with which the road to hell is paved.
 
whether i support the US getting involved is. and i don't. trying to mess up Russia's economy was a mistake, as well. it was a "doing something" half measure, with which the road to hell is paved.
Russia's economy is cratering due to the plunge in oil prices, not the tepid sanctions. If the EU/US really wanted to hurt Russia badly, they would impose a SWIFT ban. But that coup de grâce hasn't happened.
 
Simpleχity;1064327748 said:
The only thing I lobby for is that a nuclear-armed Russia leave Ukraine alone. I would greatly prefer a diplomatic solution, but Putin isn't interested.

Of course, but that's because you refuse to accept any responsibility of Western intrigue in Ukraine, and insist, and here's the rub, you insist that a Western response to Russia's response is a demand for a withdrawal from Crimea and a withdrawal of support for separatists in the East. And apparently by whatever pressure and means necessary. While there are those who are prepared to concede Crimea and some sort of compromise in the East in lieu of risking hostilities with Russia extending beyond the present scope. And as I showed you, Americans are growing increasingly weary of provocative, confrontational and military engagement in our foreign policy.
 
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Russia's economy is cratering due to the plunge in oil prices, not the tepid sanctions. If the EU/US really wanted to hurt Russia badly, they would impose a SWIFT ban. But that coup de grâce hasn't happened.

sure, that was a big cause of the fall of the Soviet Union, too. we're still needling them and getting way too invested in global military conflicts. FFS, we need to concentrate on our fixing own house for a minute.
 
Oh boy, it's been the Germans

Hitler.

and the Japanese

Hirohito.

and the Soviets

Stalin.

and the Vietnamese,

Ho Chi Minh

and the Chinese,

Mao.

and the Iranians

Khomeni.

and the Iraqis

Saddam

and the Syrians

Assad.

and the Libyans

Qaddafi.

and........I'm sure I'm leaving somebody out.

Putin.

Mass murdering genocidal maniacs one and all.
 
Oh sure, probably everyone of them threatened US hegemony, and US business, I'll not deny that.

Well that and they were responsible for a combined death toll of over 500 million but hay what's a little apologetics for Hitler, Stalin, and Mao when you can bash the liberal democratic United States, how is it that your anti-Americanism is so virulent that you find yourself in the same corner as Hitler. Simply amazing.
 
Yeah, can't let them threaten business or Jiminy, or anything. And there were those little peccadillos like the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, Nanking, and the soviet's ruling eastern Europe for fifty years...

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he is a holocaust denier, of course I already know he blames the US for Pear Harbor and likely has never even heard of the rape of Nanking.
 
The Crimea AND the Donetsk regions voted overwhelmingly to leave...

If you believe that 97% of the Crimea which only has a 60% ethnic Russian population and 90% of Donetsk which actually has an ethnic Ukrainian majority voted for annexation by Russia then I have a great deal for you on a bridge I own in Brooklyn. :roll:


According to the (2001 census), the ethnic makeup of Crimea's population consists of the following self-reported groups: Russians:1.18 million (58.3%), Ukrainians: 492,200 (24.3%), Crimean Tatars: 243,400 (12.0%), Belarusians: 29,200 (1.4%), other Tatars: 11,000 (0.5%), Armenians: 8,7000 (0.4%).[4]

Demographics of Crimea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
At the 2001 Ukrainian National Census, the ethnic groups within the Donetsk Oblast were: Ukrainians – 2,744,100 (56.9%), Russians – 1,844,400 (38.2%), Pontic Greeks – 77,500 (1.6%), Belarusians – 44,500 (0.9%), others (2.3%).[9]

Donetsk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The population is largely Russian-speaking, although ethnic Ukrainians constitute a majority (58.0%). Among the minorities are native Russians (39.1%), Belarusians (0.8%), and others (1.4%).

Luhansk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and THAT is all the UN should care about.

No the UN should care about international law which is why the majority of the UNGA condemned the illegal Russian invasion, occupation, and annexation of the Crimea and why the UNSC voted unanimously to condemn it even China abstained. These "referendums" were as legitimate as the "elections" in Vichy France.
 
You've got the cart before the horse as usual. As documented earlier, US/NATO/IMF interference in Yugoslavia post Tito, precipitated those mass graves.

Yes because the IMF rather than Communism destroyed the Yugoslavian economy, regardless the assertion that economic turmoil precipitates genocide is nonsense. The West was in no way responsible for the genocidal Milosevic after all he was Russia's ally.
 
Well that and they were responsible for a combined death toll of over 500 million but hay what's a little apologetics for Hitler, Stalin, and Mao when you can bash the liberal democratic United States, how is it that your anti-Americanism is so virulent that you find yourself in the same corner as Hitler. Simply amazing.

:roll:

Time to take your pill. I think.
 
Yes. It seems quite rational to increasingly think about Russia as a threat as its threat grows. Putin is seriously dangerous. There is no doubt. But presently the real danger is more his activity in South America. Only if he can split the EU or the EU from the USA would the situation immediately deteriorate.

But this is all very little dangerous compared to what will be, when multipolarity is further developed.


Particularly loaning an unstable Argentine government Military jets.... The guys needs to learn some hard truths and these " sanctions" are not working. Putin tested the water back in 2008 with Georgia and now he is laughing in Nato's face.
 
:roll:

Time to take your pill. I think.

I'm not the one attempting to paint the U.S. as the greater of evils compared to Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. :roll:
 
Oh boy, it's been the Germans and the Japanese and the Soviets and the Vietnamese, and the Chinese, and the Iranians and the Iraqis and the Syrians and the Libyans and........I'm sure I'm leaving somebody out. Main beneficiary to all this continual fear mongering and conflict, the MIC.

Select groups within our country simply can not create enough boogeymen for us.
 
Hitler.



Hirohito.



Stalin.



Ho Chi Minh



Mao.



Khomeni.



Saddam



Assad.



Qaddafi.



Putin.

Mass murdering genocidal maniacs one and all.

Well then, I could post a longer list of Western powers, the UK at the top, of having caused far more suffering, so if your keeping score, you might need to rethink that.
 
Particularly loaning an unstable Argentine government Military jets.... The guys needs to learn some hard truths and these " sanctions" are not working. Putin tested the water back in 2008 with Georgia and now he is laughing in Nato's face.

Yes, of course. Because if its not the US/UK, It's not stable. Where does this hateful, arrogant, condescending and cocky attitude come from. And worse, from a student of the most imperialistic country in modern history. Have you any shame or guilt at all, ever. ****!
 
Yes because the IMF rather than Communism destroyed the Yugoslavian economy, regardless the assertion that economic turmoil precipitates genocide is nonsense. The West was in no way responsible for the genocidal Milosevic after all he was Russia's ally.

You may excuse what you will. Nevertheless, Yugoslavia was a planed break up. But listen, ****s not over. Its a different world, and there are people calling bull**** in various ways that can't be dealt with on a traditional battlefield, or with your military prowess like you use to do. Its time to make peace, and compromise.
 
Well that and they were responsible for a combined death toll of over 500 million but hay what's a little apologetics for Hitler, Stalin, and Mao when you can bash the liberal democratic United States, how is it that your anti-Americanism is so virulent that you find yourself in the same corner as Hitler. Simply amazing.

Oh no, I'm no fan of Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, or FDR. WAR CRIMINALS ARE ALL THE SAME.
 
Well then, I could post a longer list of Western powers, the UK at the top, of having caused far more suffering, so if your keeping score, you might need to rethink that.

No you can not, even the British Empire at its height did not have the death toll of Hitler, Stalin, or Mao.
 
You may excuse what you will. Nevertheless, Yugoslavia was a planed break up. But listen, ****s not over. Its a different world, and there are people calling bull**** in various ways that can't be dealt with on a traditional battlefield, or with your military prowess like you use to do. Its time to make peace, and compromise.

And by this you mean "allow Russian imperialistic expansionism through aggressive wars of conquest go unchecked."
 
No you can not, even the British Empire at its height did not have the death toll of Hitler, Stalin, or Mao.

We'll now, that has never been documented, we'll likely never know the toll of the British empires imperialisation of 3/4 of this planet. Dead people don't talk. I'm really unmoved by your blind support of hypocritical policy other than to say, your days coming, no one stays on top for ever.
 
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lol comparing Churchill and FDR to Stalin and Hitler, wow just wow. :roll:

Nobody killed 200,000 people during WW2 as swiftly as the us did, nobody. And I should have said Truman.
 
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