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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    So in other words you in fact DID dispute that by blaming the west as usual.

    What a surprise
    When did I dispute that they were "spoiling for a fight" in the mid 80's? What I posted confirmed it and pointed out those behind it.

    Beginning in 1990 Germany and the United States sought and achieved the breakup of Yugoslavia in two stages—1992-1995 and 1998-1999. The German government aimed at this division because it wanted to include as territory of its “vital interest” Slovenia and Croatia, the most economically developed states of the Yugoslavian confederation. These states were old allies in the Second World War (the Ustashi fascist group in Croatia and the nationalists in Slovenia). Through them Germany would achieve access to the Adriatic Sea.


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    Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy
    not really. many of us are sick to death of getting dragged into this kind of ****. Europe needs to handle its own continent, and the same could be argued for the Middle East. we're sitting here with no good national health care program, bridges that were built in the 1950s, and an insufficient electrical grid. we have other **** to do, and we don't need this "i'm a bigger superpower than you" bull**** with Russia. that we're involved in this at all is a mistake, IMO.

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When did I dispute that they were "spoiling for a fight" in the mid 80's? What I posted confirmed it and pointed out those behind it.
    Only Tito's iron grip held them together as long as it did so the civil war was only a matter of time once he was gone . These people didn't need prompting by the West or anyone else kill each other nobody else was 'behind' it. I saw the hate at first hand so I know whereof I speak. Everything bad that happens in the world isn't all the fault of the nasty capitalists comrade

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Only Tito's iron grip held them together as long as it did so the civil war was only a matter of time . These people didn't need prompting by the West or anyone else kill each other nobody else was 'behind' it. I saw the hate at first hand so I know whereof I speak. Everything bad that happens in the world isn't all the fault of the nasty capitalists comrade
    I've already corrected you on that. Believe as you wish.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I've already corrected you on that. Believe as you wish.
    I don't care to indulge your crusade against all things Western and make no apologies for calling you out on that
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

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    Not surprising at all. Americans are indeed keeping abreast of Russian military expansionism in Europe and Putin's dishonesty and manipulations.
    Several thoughts:

    1. Russia and the U.S. clearly have some big differences in interests. Russia's interests and America's interests are not fully compatible and there is a large fault line across parts of Eastern Europe regarding, but not limited to the region Russia considers its "Near Abroad." These differences are not new and they predate the end of the Cold War.

    2. The U.S. believes that rules and principles should largely guide the management of these differences. Its foreign policy has been grounded in that assumption and minimized the importance of power and Realpolitik. Russia, on the other hand, places much greater weight on power and Realpolitik. Russia has demonstrated its willingness to use force to secure what it believes are its interests. It has had a destabilizing role in Ukraine and that role has created greater uncertainty along Russia's boundaries and in neighboring countries. To the extent that Russia chooses to use force to secure its goals, some of which undercut American interests, Russia most definitely poses a real threat to U.S. interests.

    3. In the larger context, U.S. policy remains on a trajectory of reducing U.S. military strength. Funding has not kept pace with GDP growth. Manpower, naval vessels, etc., have undergone absolute reductions (even as asymmetric threats e.g., that posed by ISIS, and the balance of power is evolving e.g., China is growing stronger and Russia remains embarked on a military modernization effort). Put another way, present U.S. national security policy is inconsistent with the national security environment that is presently evolving. Hard power matters greatly and rules/principles are not a full substitute. This evolution also provides a context by which Russia can threaten U.S. interests (directly as in Ukraine or indirectly by reducing cooperation on matters such as Iran's nuclear activities).

    4. At present, the U.S. remains the world's strongest power. However, it does not have preeminence and this most definitely is not a unipolar world. Moreover, the qualitative U.S. advantage is eroding, in part, on account of the U.S. defense policy choice and, in part, on account of the renewed efforts underway to build or rebuild military power in various countries, including Russia.

    5. U.S. foreign policy has also been excessively reactive in recent years. Lack of strategic thrust has led to the U.S. ignoring areas where interests with great powers are incompatible and left the U.S. behind the curve of events far too often. The lack of strategic definition to U.S. foreign and military policy has been exploited by Russia, which places national interests ahead of economic ones and is willing to endure punishing sanctions in pursuit of its goals. This context is also one that undermines American interests.

    In short, I do believe Americans have reasonable basis to be concerned about Russia--not as a direct threat, but as a destabilizing and not necessarily reliable entity when it comes to sustaining American interests. Such an outcome has economic and national security implications for the U.S. The consequences for countries lying along Russia's boundaries are much starker and those countries are facing a genuine loss of strategic flexibility when it comes to pursuing their own interest on account of Russia's aspirations and conduct.

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So which war hawk on here is ready to go toe to toe with Putin's boys?
    Management of the differences with Russia does not necessarily require a military solution. It does entail strengthening the NATO guarantee for existing NATO members, better linking defense policy with the security environment, and assuring that Russia and the U.S. have a clear understanding of one another's critical interests to avoid measures that would impede on those interests and trigger suboptimal outcomes. The kind of diplomatic understanding that existed between the U.S. and USSR during the latter part of the Cold War, which helped lead to a peaceful resolution, is not present today in either country. Unless it is rebuilt, the relationship will remain rocky and uncertain, and much more than would otherwise be the case. Strategic opportunities where collaboration is possible would be missed and management of areas in which real differences exist would be ineffective.

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When did I dispute that they were "spoiling for a fight" in the mid 80's? What I posted confirmed it and pointed out those behind it.

    Beginning in 1990 Germany and the United States sought and achieved the breakup of Yugoslavia in two stages—1992-1995 and 1998-1999. The German government aimed at this division because it wanted to include as territory of its “vital interest” Slovenia and Croatia, the most economically developed states of the Yugoslavian confederation. These states were old allies in the Second World War (the Ustashi fascist group in Croatia and the nationalists in Slovenia). Through them Germany would achieve access to the Adriatic Sea.


    The Breakup of Yugoslavia
    Conspiratorial dribble from a Greek conspiracy theorist. Shocking.

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Conspiratorial dribble from a Greek conspiracy theorist. Shocking.
    Nice try, but the International Action Center was formed by anti-imperialist and former USAG Ramsey Clarke!
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nice try, but the International Action Center was formed by anti-imperialist and former USAG Ramsey Clarke!
    *Yawn* its conspiratorial nonsense and no one is buying it. Luckily it doesn't matter.

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