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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not everyone would have been happy with the breakup of the United States in the 1860's had it happened. But many would have been.

    Post Tito, and pre Yugoslavian military conflict was much US/NATO/IMF interference aimed at the breakup of Yugoslavia.
    How nice of them.

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    Right, because Serbia and Russia were the only big "stakeholders" in Yugoslavia.


    This report examines the roles played by Western International Financial Institutions (IFIs), intelligence agencies, militaries and strategic interests in the break up of the Yugoslav Republic.

    Analysis

    Background

    The Yugoslav wars occurred between 1991 and 2001, and involved several conflicts leading to the breakup of Yugoslavia. The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was created at the end of World War II, and consisted of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Slovenia and Kosovo.

    Setting the Stage

    A Political and Economic Crisis

    In 1980, longtime dictator of Yugoslavia, Josip Broz Tito died, leading to a leadership crisis.

    By 1982, the Yugoslav debt had grown to 20 billion dollars, so the US Ambassador in Belgrade, Lawrence Eagleburger, created a group of individuals known as the “Friends of Yugoslavia” who organized a set of “rescue loans” by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank.[1] However, that same year, the IMF and World Bank had created a new loan agreement, entitled Structural Adjustment Programs (SAPs), which gave the IFIs total control over a country’s economic and even many political decisions. The effect of the SAPs was that they “wreaked economic and political havoc… The economic crisis threatened political stability … it also threatened to aggravate simmering ethnic tensions.”[2]

    Breaking Yugoslavia - Geopoliticalmonitor.com
    Seems like an incomplete story, unless you would provide references that they also had something to do with the actual ethnic cleansing?
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    I'll try not to tremble in fear as I'm kicking back this summer in Nevsky Prospect.

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy



    Not surprising at all. Americans are indeed keeping abreast of Russian military expansionism in Europe and Putin's dishonesty and manipulations.
    Remember Obama laughing at Romney when Romney called Russia a threat?

    Not that I'm a Romney fan at all, just saying, I agreed with Romney's assertion of Russia. He knew this would happen, and it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I'll try not to tremble in fear as I'm kicking back this summer in Nevsky Prospect.
    Be sure and check out the 'Chocolate factory' at its eastern end for a great feed and plenty of complimentary Baltika too. Loved it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Tell me when was the last time that any of those nations were flying patrols so close to our borders? Or annexing sovereign territory from another country, as Russia has now done TWICE in the last few years? I know Monte you are the resident Putin fanboy, but they've sure been up to a lot of provocative actions of late.



    So all those mass graves didn't play any part in the NATO's decision then hmm?
    You've got the cart before the horse as usual. As documented earlier, US/NATO/IMF interference in Yugoslavia post Tito, precipitated those mass graves.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    How nice of them.



    Seems like an incomplete story, unless you would provide references that they also had something to do with the actual ethnic cleansing?
    Again, instigating the break-up of Yugoslavia precipitated the violence that followed. So you can blame that on Russia all you want, but as you can see, Russia's pushing back, Putin has drawn his line.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Again, instigating the break-up of Yugoslavia precipitated the violence that followed. So you can blame that on Russia all you want, but as you can see, Russia's pushing back, Putin has drawn his line.
    I visited Yugoslavia between 1986 and 1988 and even then they were spoiling for a fight. These people have been unable to live in peace each other for centuries. Theres no need to invoke the culpability of some third party culprit be it Russia or the US to explain what happened in the nineties

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy



    Not surprising at all. Americans are indeed keeping abreast of Russian military expansionism in Europe and Putin's dishonesty and manipulations.
    So which war hawk on here is ready to go toe to toe with Putin's boys?

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I visited Yugoslavia between 1986 and 1988 and even then they were spoiling for a fight. These people have been unable to live in peace each other for centuries. Theres no need to invoke the culpability of some third party culprit be it Russia or the US to explain what happened in the nineties
    I didn't dispute that, in fact what I posted was evidence of the US/NATO/IMF stirring the pot post Tito that culminated in exactly what they were after, the breakup of Yugoslavia.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I didn't dispute that, in fact what I posted was evidence of the US/NATO/IMF stirring the pot post Tito that culminated in exactly what they were after, the breakup of Yugoslavia.
    So in other words you in fact DID dispute that by blaming the west as usual.

    What a surprise

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