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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by leoborn View Post
    The people of Crimea made their choice by voting to return to Russian umbrella. The UN is playing God and overturning the peoples decision.
    That is because the "people's decision" was carried out non-transparently and illegally.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh boy, it's been the Germans and the Japanese and the Soviets and the Vietnamese, and the Chinese, and the Iranians and the Iraqis and the Syrians and the Libyans and........I'm sure I'm leaving somebody out. Main beneficiary to all this continual fear mongering and conflict, the MIC.
    You can't justify arming against an enemy without having one.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah, because none of those guys were ever a serious threat to anyone, right?


    (/irony)
    The Germans and the Japanese were, and the Soviets at one point. The Vietnamese and down the list were never a threat to the U.S.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The February 2015 poll by Gallup strongly suggests otherwise.


    The Cold War was indeed over until Putin decided to militarily invade and illegally annex a neighbor's sovereign territory in 2014. This has not happened in Europe since the end of WWII. If internationally recognized borders are no longer honored and respected, then no nation is secure from a more powerful and/or expansionist-minded neighbor.

    Borders are not "mere suggestions". This tenat is a core principle of international relations and a cornerstone of the UN Charter.
    No, the Cold War has been over since about 1990 and no maneuvering by Putin is ever changing that.

    Putin's moves with the Ukraine appear to be blowing up in his face. Much to the chagrin, I might add, of our esteemed "patriots" who root for him over our own President.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Yes, the Serbs.

    You helped many former Yugoslav countries be liberated from Serbian hegemony. If left unchecked the whole of Yugoslavia might have today been annexed from Russia just like Ukrainian Crimea.
    The Serbs were never considered threats to America. They were considered threats to the stabilization of the Balkans, which is why Milosevic was dealt with.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not everybody views the breakup of Yugoslavia as a positive development.
    I do. Yugoslavia was the European equivalent of Iraq. Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, et al never should have been shoehorned into the same nation-state. Once Tito's bootheel was gone, that place went to hell with sectarian and ethnic violence.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Serbs were never considered threats to America. They were considered threats to the stabilization of the Balkans, which is why Milosevic was dealt with.
    Just like in WW1, they were being used as a pawn to bring WW3 according to Albright. The foreseen situation was that in the Dardania-Serbia war, Serbia would continue with ethnic cleansing and the rest of Albanians in Albania would eventually intervene. Greeks whom are loyal to Russia and friendlier to Serbia and use to be unfriendly to Albanians before Albania became a NATO member would attack Albania from below. Turkiye would then attack Greece, and Russia would attack Turkiye. That was the slippery slope argument that was tied to the Dardanian-Serbian conflict that made room for the intervention.

    I argue that if US lead NATO interventions in Bosnia, Croatia, and Dardania did not occur, then perhaps Russia would behave just like it is doing to Ukraine. Sending "volunteers" and so on with the aim of annexing the territories wan from pro-Russian Serbs back to Russia, perhaps through Bulgaria. So good that that was avoided.

    On a side note Kobie, I had imagined the actor in your avatar differently. But lately he seems to have lost his cord!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk3EAwwpATI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7zLthh85P8
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I do.

    Yugoslavia was the European equivalent of Iraq. Croats, Serbs, Bosnians, et al never should have been shoehorned into the same nation-state. Once Tito's bootheel was gone, that place went to hell with sectarian and ethnic violence.
    It was ethnic violence, but why sectarian?
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    It was ethnic violence, but why sectarian?
    Different types of Muslims, Muslim vs. Christian, etc. Mostly ethnic, but there was some sectarian violence in there.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Just like in WW1, they were being used as a pawn to bring WW3 according to Albright. The foreseen situation was that in the Dardania-Serbia war, Serbia would continue with ethnic cleansing and the rest of Albanians in Albania would eventually intervene. Greeks whom are loyal to Russia and friendlier to Serbia and use to be unfriendly to Albanians before Albania became a NATO member would attack Albania from below. Turkiye would then attack Greece, and Russia would attack Turkiye. That was the slippery slope argument that was tied to the Dardanian-Serbian conflict that made room for the intervention.

    I argue that if US lead NATO interventions in Bosnia, Croatia, and Dardania did not occur, then perhaps Russia would behave just like it is doing to Ukraine. Sending "volunteers" and so on with the aim of annexing the territories wan from pro-Russian Serbs back to Russia, perhaps through Bulgaria. So good that that was avoided.
    I see U.S. intervention in the Balkans as probably the only truly humanitarian (with few if any ulterior motives) efforts that we've engaged in during my lifetime.

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    On a side note Kobie, I had imagined the actor in your avatar differently. But lately he seems to have lost his cord!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk3EAwwpATI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7zLthh85P8
    Good finds.
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