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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The February 2015 poll by Gallup strongly suggests otherwise.


    The Cold War was indeed over until Putin decided to militarily invade and illegally annex a neighbor's sovereign territory in 2014. This has not happened in Europe since the end of WWII. If internationally recognized borders are no longer honored and respected, then no nation is secure from a more powerful and/or expansionist-minded neighbor.

    Borders are not "mere suggestions". This tenat is a core principle of international relations and a cornerstone of the UN Charter.
    You mean a cornerstone of power-hungry politicians desperately hanging onto as much power as possible. The will of the people is what is important - not arbitrary laws insecure governments make to not allow regions to leave.
    If you think the will of the people means less then the will of the government - then you are clearly anti-democratic and a complete waste of time to me on this.

    Canada is an extremely well respected country and yet, they only require about 60-65% of a popular vote for one of it's provinces to - in essence - leave. And a FAR higher percentage of both Crimea and the Donetsk regions voted to bolt to Russia in their referendums.
    The Crimea AND the Donetsk regions voted overwhelmingly to leave...and THAT is all the UN should care about.

    The will of the people have overwhelmingly spoken - unfortunately, Kiev (backed by the West) would rather kill it's citizens rather then let them leave (even when over 80% of them want to).

    Russia is no saint in this. But Kiev and those in the West that are backing them in the Civil War are FAR more the bad guys, imo.

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    You mean a cornerstone of power-hungry politicians...
    No, I meant exactly what I typed.

    UN Approves Resolution Calling Russia's Crimea Annexation Illegal

    March 27, 2014

    UNITED NATIONS (AP) In a sweeping rebuke of Moscow, the U.N. General Assembly on Thursday overwhelmingly affirmed Ukraine's territorial integrity and deemed the referendum that led to Russia's annexation of the Crimean Peninsula illegal. The resolution adopted Thursday says the referendum on Crimea has "no validity" and calls on all countries and organizations not to recognize Russia's annexation.


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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The people of Crimea made their choice by voting to return to Russian umbrella. The UN is playing God and overturning the peoples decision.

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    You mean a cornerstone of power-hungry politicians desperately hanging onto as much power as possible.
    Just like Yanukovych tried to ?

    The will of the people is what is important - not arbitrary laws insecure governments make to not allow regions to leave.
    I know. Russia should really have kept its nose out of Ukraines business

    If you think the will of the people means less then the will of the government - then you are clearly anti-democratic and a complete waste of time to me on this.
    The will of the people or the will of the Kremlin ? They had lived together in peace for 23 years until Putin decided they were getting a bit too keen on EU membership. The rest is history

    Canada is an extremely well respected country and yet, they only require about 60-65% of a popular vote for one of it's provinces to - in essence - leave. And a FAR higher percentage of both Crimea and the Donetsk regions voted to bolt to Russia in their referendums.
    The Crimea AND the Donetsk regions voted overwhelmingly to leave...and THAT is all the UN should care about.
    Referendums are worthless when the populace are under occupation and its being conducted at the point of a gun

    The will of the people have overwhelmingly spoken - unfortunately, Kiev (backed by the West) would rather kill it's citizens rather then let them leave (even when over 80% of them want to).
    How many western troops are in Ukraine killing its citizens ?

    Russia is no saint in this. But Kiev and those in the West that are backing them in the Civil War are FAR more the bad guys, imo
    Then you are simply wrong. This has been Russia's game from the get go and is the culmination of a long catalogue of its interference in Ukrainian internal affairs since Putin came to power

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by leoborn View Post
    The people of Crimea made their choice by voting to return to Russian umbrella. The UN is playing God and overturning the peoples decision.
    The constitutions of both Ukraine and Crimea stipulated that any change in Crimea's status must be approved by *all* of the Ukrainian people, not just the citizens living on the peninsula. How can it be that >1% of Ukraine's population of 46 million has the final say on what happens to land that belongs to all the Ukrainian people?


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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Yes, the Serbs.

    You helped many former Yugoslav countries be liberated from Serbian hegemony. If left unchecked the whole of Yugoslavia might have today been annexed from Russia just like Ukrainian Crimea.
    Not everybody views the breakup of Yugoslavia as a positive development.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The constitutions of both Ukraine and Crimea stipulated that any change in Crimea's status must be approved by *all* of the Ukrainian people, not just the citizens living on the peninsula. How can it be that >1% of Ukraine's population of 46 million has the final say on what happens to land that belongs to all the Ukrainian people?
    Totally irrelevant.

    So, by that ridiculous law, if 100% of those in the Crimea want to leave but people that have never set foot AND have no direct interest there can deny them? That is whacked.

    It is their region. It belongs to the people that live there...not to people that don't.

    I don't even begin to care what their unjust laws say (there are TONS of unjust laws in the world), if the vast majority of a region want to leave the country, they should be able to...period.

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Because somebody somewhere always has to be a threat to the all powerful United States. I don't remember a time in my life that we haven't been instructed that we were living under some threat. But then I suppose the big stick approach can create endless enemies.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Totally irrelevant.
    Hardly. Constitutional law is the core and guiding mechanism of the entire rule-of-law subset.

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It is their region. It belongs to the people that live there...not to people that don't.
    You've never heard of national elections and national referendums? Nations in-toto belong to all of its citizens regardless of which region they happen to inhabit.

    You seriously need to rethink your position. It is clumsy, impracticable, and counter to standard international norms.

    This is precisely why the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly voted in favor of Resolution 68/262.


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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not everybody views the breakup of Yugoslavia as a positive development.
    Of course not.

    Especially the stakeholders that lost their ability to grow hegemony and access to the Adriatic sea, such as: Serbia, Russia, and their allies. They definitely would not see this is a positive development.
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    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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