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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy



    Not surprising at all. Americans are indeed keeping abreast of Russian military expansionism in Europe and Putin's dishonesty and manipulations.
    I guess Romney was right after all
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Interesting article, I never denied that the British Empire ever engaged in war crimes I'm Irish actually so no quite well, however, nothing within that article is even remotely on par with the crimes of Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, over the course of hundreds of years of the British Empire the death toll is not even a drop in the bucket compared to them and nothing in that article compares to industrialized genocide.
    I've never mentioned Stalin or Mao in any of my posts. And we've diverted away from my original point that with the UK's history and ambitions of world dominance, colonisation of people's and territories against there will, exploitation of resources and killing of so many, I don't consider that they have any credibility condemning Russia's tiny by comparison operations in Ukraine.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I've never mentioned Stalin or Mao in any of my posts. And we've diverted away from my original point that with the UK's history and ambitions of world dominance, colonisation of people's and territories against there will, exploitation of resources and killing of so many, I don't consider that they have any credibility condemning Russia's tiny by comparison operations in Ukraine.
    Trying to make any comparison of 19th century British moralities to excuse those of Russia in the 21st really is pretty lame, but then I've come to expect that from you in your endless crusade against the West.

    Times have changed

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Trying to make any comparison of 19th century British moralities to excuse those of Russia in the 21st really is pretty lame, but then I've come to expect that from you in your endless crusade against the West.

    Times have changed
    Two observations. One, you're unaware of the timeframe of British colonialism, and two, you're unaware of the scope and scale of the atrocities that nation committed as it went about by force raping the people's and the lands of the world in its quest for world dominance. Maybe there's three. Your lack of historical knowledge and perspective is hugely a waste of my time.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I've never mentioned Stalin or Mao in any of my posts.
    Oh please you mentioned Germany, the Soviets, and China as perceived enemies of the US it is clear who you were referring to.

    And we've diverted away from my original point that with the UK's history and ambitions of world dominance, colonisation of people's and territories against there will, exploitation of resources and killing of so many, I don't consider that they have any credibility condemning Russia's tiny by comparison operations in Ukraine.
    A) If you want to talk about history then historically the crimes of Russia compared to that of the now defunct British Empire are of such a magnitude that they are not just different in scale but different in kind.

    B) We are not talking about 5 decades ago we are talking about the here and now, the UK has not annexed territory anytime in recent memory, what Russia did was a war crime on a scale not seen since Saddam's invasion of Kuwait or perhaps Serb's genocide of the Croats, Albanians, and Bosniaks.

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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Oh please you mentioned Germany, the Soviets, and China as perceived enemies of the US it is clear who you were referring to.



    A) If you want to talk about history then historically the crimes of Russia compared to that of the now defunct British Empire are of such a magnitude that they are not just different in scale but different in kind.

    B) We are not talking about 5 decades ago we are talking about the here and now, the UK has not annexed territory anytime in recent memory, what Russia did was a war crime on a scale not seen since Saddam's invasion of Kuwait or perhaps Serb's genocide of the Croats, Albanians, and Bosniaks.
    I will talk about any time period I like. And no kingdom has ever annexed as much territory or oppressed as many people as the United Kingdom. Dominating, and exploiting 3/4 of the world and half a billion people. I really don't care what your take is on that.

    We are still a nation locked in denial. If you point out basic facts about the British Empire - that the British deliberately adopted policies that caused as many as 29 million Indians to starve to death in the late 19th century, say - you smack into a wall of incomprehension and rage.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...ns-404631.html

    How Britain Denies its Holocausts

    http://www.monbiot.com/2005/12/27/ho...ts-holocausts/
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Two observations. One, you're unaware of the timeframe of British colonialism, and two, you're unaware of the scope and scale of the atrocities that nation committed as it went about by force raping the people's and the lands of the world in its quest for world dominance. Maybe there's three. Your lack of historical knowledge and perspective is hugely a waste of my time.
    What arrogance I'm British yet you are trying to claim you know my history better than I do ! You did the same with DDD. As far as historical knowledge goes I'd be more than happy to do a pop quiz with you any day on any country.

    Britain was perhaps one of the most benign and benevolent empires that ever existed leaving knowledge, political systems and infrastructure that benefitted billions in its wake. Thats not to say that no blood was shed nor miscalculations and mistakes happen but it has certainly no moral equivalency with the despotic tyrants of the 20th and 21st century whatsoever. If you had a clue you would know this but by all means get your facts from revisionist opinion pieces that fit your warped worldview instead
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The founder of the organisation is an anti-imperialist, and a former US attorney general.
    Being an anti-imperialist is one thing, being pro-Russian is another.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The author is some Greek 'activist' who's cracked the code on what REALLY happened with regard to the breakup of Yugoslavia. Hint: It was a grand Western machination.
    Aha, you are addressing the references. Well, no surprise about Greeks being pro-Russian.
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    Re: Americans Increasingly See Russia as Threat, Top U.S. Enemy

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As the separatists living in East Ukraine have a more credible opinion of things there than you do.
    What is required is a voice that represents the Ukrainian majority here in DP to tell us how it is there. Then the analogy of me representing historical facts here would have more credibility just like a Ukrainian would have a more valid say about their own country.

    Asking only the Russian minorities about what is going on there and leaving it to them having a say about the whole story is biased.
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