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Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

Moot said:
I think it's meant to do all three and to remind people what happens to them if they break the laws...or even if they don't. I've been reading that it was the Protestant Reformation that brought Christianity out of the dark ages and into the enlightenment period aka modern world. So perhaps a Reformation is what Islam needs, too.
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Unfortunately their reformation might involve a war using the most vile of weapons.
 
nota bene said:
A video released on Sunday by militants in Libya claiming loyalty to the Islamic State terror group purports to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages.

...The killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group — which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate — has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video, speaking English, makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome." Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading Christian hostages | Fox News

Synchronized decapitations...a barbaric ballet of death. How long will the world tolerate this evil?
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Let's hope the world holds on and doesn't play into ISIS' hands. ISIS is doing and saying whatever it can to provoke the west into a full blown war. ISIS believes that to elicit a full out commitment from the west is the best way for ISIS to defeat the west. It believes that it can only enlist the Muslim world to its cause if the Muslim world feels that the intent of the west is to destroy Islam. What ISIS is doing is classic asymmetrical warfare.

We have a much greater chance of eliminating ISIS and whomever is next up behind them if Muslim nations take the lead. That's different than a proxy war which is what we've always begun with in the Middle East and other places. If we want Muslim nations to handle their own extremists and crazies we need to let them do it.
 
Montecresto said:
You mean that largely, Americans didn't support the overthrow of Libya??
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Montecresto said:
By in large, Americans supported the overthrow of Libya, so they prolly support this as well.
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a351 said:
They mean that quite obviously, the desire to rid the world of Gadaffi has exactly zero relevance to the beheading of religious minorities in Egypt. This is just another pathetic and transparent attempt to deflect blame away from the actual culprits onto the big bad US. Let's hope you're being paid for this type of drivel, as it'd be a shame to act this stupid for free.
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a351 says it pretty clearly.
 
a351 said:
They mean that quite obviously, the desire to rid the world of Gadaffi has exactly zero relevance to the beheading of religious minorities in Egypt. This is just another pathetic and transparent attempt to deflect blame away from the actual culprits onto the big bad US. Let's hope you're being paid for this type of drivel, as it'd be a shame to act this stupid for free.
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Um, seems to me an overwhelming majority of Americans supported the Arab Spring protests that toppled Mubarak, who wouldn't have allowed for this ****, see? Americans need to stop supporting stupid ****.
 
Thrilla said:
it's your argument, you should be the one to explain it.

or you can be a dishonest and play games... your choice, your reputation.
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Post 56, no games. Reputation, lol. Like anybody at DP has a universal reputation.
 
Montecresto said:
Um, seems to me an overwhelming majority of Americans supported the Arab Spring protests that toppled Mubarak, who wouldn't have allowed for this ****, see? Americans need to stop supporting stupid ****.
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How do you go from people supporting protests against autocratic rulers (whether they worked or not) to supporting beheadings?

You've been asked several times by different posters now.
 
WCH said:
Unfortunately their reformation might involve a war using the most vile of weapons.
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That's true. The Protestant Reformation wasn't very pretty either but when it was finally over it had a positive outcome.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
How do you go from people supporting protests against autocratic rulers (whether they worked or not) to supporting beheadings?

You've been asked several times by different posters now.
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It's all the same, just as those that are supportive of US policy to conduct regime change in Iraq, Libya and Syria, are supporting the rise of terrorism and Islamic extremism. How many times do you people need to be asked to speak to the 2005/6 leaked NIE that concluded that the Iraq war is responsible for the rise in Islamic extremism, and has made America less safe?!! Stop supporting failed policy and you'll stop supporting extremism. See how easy that is.
 
Montecresto said:
Um, seems to me an overwhelming majority of Americans supported the Arab Spring protests that toppled Mubarak, who wouldn't have allowed for this ****, see? Americans need to stop supporting stupid ****.
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The current regime is no more favorable to ISIS than Mubarak. Also, the fact that Mubarak may have stopped this event does not mean that those who wished to see him removed from power approve of the beheadings. Using your logic, you support the annihilation of Kurds by the thousands, seeing as you vehemently opposed the Iraq war and Hussein's disposal. See? Stop saying stupid **** :)
 
a351 said:
The current regime is no more favorable to ISIS than Mubarak. Also, the fact that Mubarak may have stopped this event does not mean that those who wished to see him removed from power approve of the beheadings. Using your logic, you support the annihilation of Kurds by the thousands, seeing as you vehemently opposed the Iraq war and Hussein's disposal. See? Stop saying stupid **** :)
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Fallacy. USFP, along with the help of other regional powers can protect such interests. It's just unfortunate that there's always those that benefit from chaos, unrest, and hostilities. I'd like it a whole lot better if Americans stopped supporting stupid and destructive policies in the ME. On a positive note, 70% of Americans opposed US military intervention in Syria. I liked that. I will note your refusal to address the leaked NIE that supports my position and crushes yours.
 
nota bene said:
Is what ISIS does ever its fault?
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I get the impression that some don't see ISIS as being all that bad. I've seen it compared to the American government. :roll:
 
Montecresto said:
It's all the same, just as those that are supportive of US policy to conduct regime change in Iraq, Libya and Syria, are supporting the rise of terrorism and Islamic extremism.
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You've done it again, and still no explanation. How does one become the other?
 
Declan said:
Frack away under your house, not mine (and liberals and progressives are not the ones that are blocking us from utilizing our most abundant natural resource--sunlight--for energy.
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If solar energy was all that you believe it's cracked up to be, then places like Spain and Germany that have devoted much time and resource to such an endeavor, wouldn't be failing to power their own homes. Give it another twenty years, and then come back to me talking about Solar.

MMC said:
Mornin Buddha.
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Yes, there is a direct link to the Original Source. Its not like Bo peep and the lost sheep hasn't known.
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I'm not arguing that there are organizations and groups around the region that share common beliefs with ISIS. However, that still doesn't qualify as a directly link. For that to occur, we'd have to start seeing supplies exporting to ISIS in support of their struggle. All that we have is more people and more people joining the ISIS fan club.

annata said:
ISIS affiliates are following the AQ affiliates idea of franchising. That doesn't mean operational coordination, anymore then AQAP coordinates with AQ Core (i.e.)

They pledge to Baghdadi ( the caliph ibrahim) they follow much of the same type of terrorism, and I'm sure they would follow the same type of "state" ( governing) like they do in Syria if given the chance.

Right now there are only a small groups in the Sinai, Libya/ maybe a few more spotty affiliates, but they don't have any power like ISIL Proper. Libya is on the way to being a complete failed state.so we'll see what happens.. The "Islamists" there have their own divisions.
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ISIS, or more specifically radical Islam, at this moment is only a nuisance to the US and her allies in the west from a strategic perspective. The moment that this nuisance becomes a nightmare is when you have REAL cooperation in the region between these "ISIS affiliates". At the moment, the tactics that we use to deal with these ISIS fan groups are no different from if they weren't, and doesn't require any more attention.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
You've done it again, and still no explanation. How does one become the other?
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You don't like the explanation, but it has been delivered. With regime change you get power vacuums filled by extremists who commit these terrible crimes. Simply STOP supporting the policy or own its results. That's your last explanation dude.
 
Montecresto said:
You don't like the explanation, but it has been delivered. With regime change you get power vacuums filled by extremists who commit these terrible crimes. Simply STOP supporting the policy or own its results. That's your last explanation dude.
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All you delivered is a fallacy, you can't demonstrate that all regime change leads to the rise of terrorist groups - which seems to be your claim.

I don't accept your flawed position.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
All you delivered is a fallacy, you can't demonstrate that all regime change leads to the rise of terrorist groups - which seems to be your claim.

I don't accept your flawed position.
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Well we already new that, but it's espoused by members of the CFR that know a wee bit more than you and a federal NIE.
 
Montecresto said:
Well we already new that, but it's espoused by members of the CFR that know a wee bit more than you and a federal NIE.
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Sorry, that does that support your position?

Brazil 1964

Poland 1980 - 89

Turkey 1980

Dominican republic 1960

All countries where the US was supposedly involved and no terrorist aftermath. Just because you have an internal body that has more insider data than I know does not support the supposition that Americans supporting regime change equals Americans supporting ISIS chopping heads off.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry, that does that support your position?

Brazil 1964

Poland 1980 - 89

Turkey 1980

Dominican republic 1960

All countries where the US was supposedly involved and no terrorist aftermath. Just because you have an internal body that has more insider data than I know does not support the supposition that Americans supporting regime change equals Americans supporting ISIS chopping heads off.
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Then stop supporting USFP that leaves power vacuums filled by such miscreants as the extremist Islamic State, or OWN the results, take your pick.
 
Montecresto said:
Then stop supporting USFP that leaves power vacuums filled by such miscreants as the extremist Islamic State, or OWN the results, take your pick.
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I'm not even American... and your posts still make no sense except for a continued anti-US sentiment I pick up on every thread you post on.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I'm not even American... and your posts still make no sense except for a continued anti-US sentiment I pick up on every thread you post on.
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You don't support USFP? I am American, and I don't support USFP beyond compromise and cooperation. Provocative, and interfering Foreign Policy, especially military engagement isn't just having a drain on me, but polls indicate that growing numbers of Americans feel the same way. You can categorise it however you wish, but we don't think of it as anti American, but rather as pro American, pro democracy, and pro peace.
 
Montecresto said:
You don't support USFP? I am American, and I don't support USFP beyond compromise and cooperation --
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You can't have a foreign policy based on constant appeasement. In some instances, the US compromises with and cooperates with other nations but when you have something like 9/11 - compromise and appeasement is mere cowardice and also invites further attack.
 
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