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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Unfortunately their reformation might involve a war using the most vile of weapons.
    That's true. The Protestant Reformation wasn't very pretty either but when it was finally over it had a positive outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    How do you go from people supporting protests against autocratic rulers (whether they worked or not) to supporting beheadings?

    You've been asked several times by different posters now.
    It's all the same, just as those that are supportive of US policy to conduct regime change in Iraq, Libya and Syria, are supporting the rise of terrorism and Islamic extremism. How many times do you people need to be asked to speak to the 2005/6 leaked NIE that concluded that the Iraq war is responsible for the rise in Islamic extremism, and has made America less safe?!! Stop supporting failed policy and you'll stop supporting extremism. See how easy that is.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Um, seems to me an overwhelming majority of Americans supported the Arab Spring protests that toppled Mubarak, who wouldn't have allowed for this ****, see? Americans need to stop supporting stupid ****.
    The current regime is no more favorable to ISIS than Mubarak. Also, the fact that Mubarak may have stopped this event does not mean that those who wished to see him removed from power approve of the beheadings. Using your logic, you support the annihilation of Kurds by the thousands, seeing as you vehemently opposed the Iraq war and Hussein's disposal. See? Stop saying stupid ****

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The current regime is no more favorable to ISIS than Mubarak. Also, the fact that Mubarak may have stopped this event does not mean that those who wished to see him removed from power approve of the beheadings. Using your logic, you support the annihilation of Kurds by the thousands, seeing as you vehemently opposed the Iraq war and Hussein's disposal. See? Stop saying stupid ****
    Fallacy. USFP, along with the help of other regional powers can protect such interests. It's just unfortunate that there's always those that benefit from chaos, unrest, and hostilities. I'd like it a whole lot better if Americans stopped supporting stupid and destructive policies in the ME. On a positive note, 70% of Americans opposed US military intervention in Syria. I liked that. I will note your refusal to address the leaked NIE that supports my position and crushes yours.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Is what ISIS does ever its fault?
    I get the impression that some don't see ISIS as being all that bad. I've seen it compared to the American government.

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's all the same, just as those that are supportive of US policy to conduct regime change in Iraq, Libya and Syria, are supporting the rise of terrorism and Islamic extremism.
    You've done it again, and still no explanation. How does one become the other?

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Frack away under your house, not mine (and liberals and progressives are not the ones that are blocking us from utilizing our most abundant natural resource--sunlight--for energy.
    If solar energy was all that you believe it's cracked up to be, then places like Spain and Germany that have devoted much time and resource to such an endeavor, wouldn't be failing to power their own homes. Give it another twenty years, and then come back to me talking about Solar.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Buddha. Yes, there is a direct link to the Original Source. Its not like Bo peep and the lost sheep hasn't known.
    I'm not arguing that there are organizations and groups around the region that share common beliefs with ISIS. However, that still doesn't qualify as a directly link. For that to occur, we'd have to start seeing supplies exporting to ISIS in support of their struggle. All that we have is more people and more people joining the ISIS fan club.

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    ISIS affiliates are following the AQ affiliates idea of franchising. That doesn't mean operational coordination, anymore then AQAP coordinates with AQ Core (i.e.)

    They pledge to Baghdadi ( the caliph ibrahim) they follow much of the same type of terrorism, and I'm sure they would follow the same type of "state" ( governing) like they do in Syria if given the chance.

    Right now there are only a small groups in the Sinai, Libya/ maybe a few more spotty affiliates, but they don't have any power like ISIL Proper. Libya is on the way to being a complete failed state.so we'll see what happens.. The "Islamists" there have their own divisions.
    ISIS, or more specifically radical Islam, at this moment is only a nuisance to the US and her allies in the west from a strategic perspective. The moment that this nuisance becomes a nightmare is when you have REAL cooperation in the region between these "ISIS affiliates". At the moment, the tactics that we use to deal with these ISIS fan groups are no different from if they weren't, and doesn't require any more attention.
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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    You've done it again, and still no explanation. How does one become the other?
    You don't like the explanation, but it has been delivered. With regime change you get power vacuums filled by extremists who commit these terrible crimes. Simply STOP supporting the policy or own its results. That's your last explanation dude.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You don't like the explanation, but it has been delivered. With regime change you get power vacuums filled by extremists who commit these terrible crimes. Simply STOP supporting the policy or own its results. That's your last explanation dude.
    All you delivered is a fallacy, you can't demonstrate that all regime change leads to the rise of terrorist groups - which seems to be your claim.

    I don't accept your flawed position.

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    All you delivered is a fallacy, you can't demonstrate that all regime change leads to the rise of terrorist groups - which seems to be your claim.

    I don't accept your flawed position.
    Well we already new that, but it's espoused by members of the CFR that know a wee bit more than you and a federal NIE.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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