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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    has established a direct affiliate
    so now we got Islamic State affiliates active and virulent in Libya.
    Libya is the place Obama decided "Qaddafi must go" ( sorta/kina like "Assad must go" )-
    but not since Obama realized that like Libya "must go" bull**** has to be replaced by something.
    Too late for Libya though....

    In Libya it's not just Libya Dawn, it's now IS affiliates . No longer restricting the world to al-Qaeda affiliates

    I'm saying NATO/Obama's 'regime change' plunged Libya into civil war, and events have brought us here..
    I document much of the devolution on my thread on another board here ..-> Libyan civil war?


    The NYTimes goes in to it here > http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/wo...d-mideast.html
    In neighboring Libya, at least three distinct groups have declared their affiliation with the Islamic State, one in each of the country’s component regions: Barqa in the east, Fezzan in the desert south, and Tripolitania in the west, around the capital. With fighting among other regional and ideological militias having already plunged the country into chaos, the Islamic State affiliates pose a new obstacle to Western attempts to negotiate a truce or a unity government.

    Western officials, especially in southern Europe, fear that the three Libyan “provinces” could evolve into bases for Islamic State fighters traveling across the Mediterranean, into Egypt or elsewhere in North Africa. Eastern Libya has already become a training ground for jihadists going to Syria or Iraq and a haven for Egyptian fighters staging attacks in the neighboring desert.
    Last month, fighters under the group’s banner claimed responsibility for a brazen attack on a luxury hotel in the capital, Tripoli, that is a hub for visiting Westerners and leaders of the Islamist-backed provisional government.

    At least eight were killed, including David Berry, an American security contractor who had served as a Marine.
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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    I can't help but wonder if all the attention on Benghazi by the US congress destroyed any chance of having any meaningful US presence in Libya during it's transition that might have prevented this kind of atrocity.

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I can't help but wonder if all the attention on Benghazi by the US congress destroyed any chance of having any meaningful US presence in Libya during it's transition that might have prevented this kind of atrocity.
    Good thought. Bengazi wasn't the issue, it was a symptom of the disease.
    My thought is no. Libya was bound to plunge into tribal/regional civil war one we assassinated Qadaffi.
    Once we took out Saddam, the pressure cooker of sectarianism exploded in Iraq.

    The US/west cannot do 'regime change' and expect it to work out like we plan ( or don't plan)
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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    A video released on Sunday by militants in Libya claiming loyalty to the Islamic State terror group purports to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages.

    ...The killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video, speaking English, makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome." Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading Christian hostages | Fox News

    Synchronized decapitations...a barbaric ballet of death. How long will the world tolerate this evil?
    I don't believe there is a direct link between this group in Lybia and ISIS as there hasn't been any operational cooperation between the two that I know of yet. This has more in common with a copycat situation than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You too deny that Americans supported the Libyan military mission??
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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    so now we got Islamic State affiliates active and virulent in Libya.
    Libya is the place Obama decided "Qaddafi must go" ( sorta/kina like "Assad must go" )-
    but not since Obama realized that like Libya "must go" bull**** has to be replaced by something.
    Too late for Libya though....

    In Libya it's not just Libya Dawn, it's now IS affiliates . No longer restricting the world to al-Qaeda affiliates

    I'm saying NATO/Obama's 'regime change' plunged Libya into civil war, and events have brought us here..
    I document much of the devolution on my thread on another board here ..-> Libyan civil war?

    The NYTimes goes in to it here > http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/wo...d-mideast.html
    I don't think we really know as of yet what it means for someone to be "an affiliate" with ISIS though. For instance, I doubt that even if we were to knock out ISIS proper in Syria/Iraq, that the affiliates in Libya would be materially affected. The one area of concern though is that ISIS is becoming a rallying cry for many in the region to rise up and contribute to the creative of a Caliphate. It's a practical impossibility for ISIS to create a region wide Caliphate on their own; these groups aren't anywhere near the level of strength as ISIS but were few more ISIS's to spring up and solidify, then we could start to talk about that possibility.

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I don't think we really know as of yet what it means for someone to be "an affiliate" with ISIS though. For instance, I doubt that even if we were to knock out ISIS proper in Syria/Iraq, that the affiliates in Libya would be materially affected. The one area of concern though is that ISIS is becoming a rallying cry for many in the region to rise up and contribute to the creative of a Caliphate. It's a practical impossibility for ISIS to create a region wide Caliphate on their own; these groups aren't anywhere near the level of strength as ISIS but were few more ISIS's to spring up and solidify, then we could start to talk about that possibility.
    ISIS affiliates are following the AQ affiliates idea of franchising.
    That doesn't mean operational coordination, anymore then AQAP coordinates with AQ Core (i.e.)

    They pledge to Baghdadi ( the caliph ibrahim) they follow much of the same type of terrorism, and I'm sure they would follow the same
    type of "state" ( governing) like they do in Syria if given the chance.

    Right now there are only a small groups in the Sinai, Libya/ maybe a few more spotty affiliates,
    but they don't have any power like ISIL Proper.
    Libya is on the way to being a complete failed state.so we'll see what happens.. The "Islamists" there have their own divisions.

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post

    Synchronized decapitations...a barbaric ballet of death. How long will the world tolerate this evil?
    It was the west who helped to overthrow Kadaffy and now we are reaping what we sowed. In addition, the Egyptians started bombing in Libya last August and thats why their citizens were targeted.

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Good thought. Bengazi wasn't the issue, it was a symptom of the disease.
    My thought is no. Libya was bound to plunge into tribal/regional civil war one we assassinated Qadaffi.
    Once we took out Saddam, the pressure cooker of sectarianism exploded in Iraq.

    The US/west cannot do 'regime change' and expect it to work out like we plan ( or don't plan)
    Libya was secular before the uprising and there's still a large secular population there. Benghazi isn't the disease, Al Qaeda and ISIS are. Allowing them to get a foothold is the problem and that might not have happened if Sen. Chaffetz and Sen. Issa hadn't exposed the CIA compound(s) on national tv.

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    Re: Video purports to show ISIS militants beheading

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    It was the west who helped to overthrow Kadaffy and now we are reaping what we sowed. In addition, the Egyptians started bombing in Libya last August and thats why their citizens were targeted.
    Is what ISIS does ever its fault?

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