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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    First of all, there has been plenty of US support for the Syrian opposition, not as much as the right would like to see, and not as much as Obama would like to have (and attempted) provided overtly, but its been there all along, to the consternation of Russia and China. Otherwise, are you denying that Syrian regime change has been a long term USFP ambition, or do I misunderstand you?
    Syria is a pawn in the undeclared war between Iran and Saudi. Ya can throw Turkey in as they also want regime change.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

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    As I mentioned earlier, provide limited assistance. They must learn to address these issue themselves, including what causes so many Sunni to rebel in Iraq. And that one I have answered in a number of posts.
    Of course they must learn to address the issue themselves but they aren't there yet. Thats why Canada is there.

    Canada is at war with ISIS.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

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    Of course they must learn to address the issue themselves but they aren't there yet. Thats why Canada is there.

    Canada is at war with ISIS.
    Indeed we are, and I support a limited mission. I would rather provide more support to the Kurds and let them run for their independence.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

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    I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that a few weeks of training and some Kalashnikovs aren't going to help against a modern state military that has tanks, aircraft and heavy artillery.


    I know some plan drafted under the Bush administration included Syria among a list of regime change candidates, but we've been pretty neutral about Assad pre-civil war, with Hillary Clinton referring to him as a "moderating influence." I don't think anyone in 2010 thought that Syria would be the birthplace of an extremist caliphate, but repression by a minority dictatorship is definitely a contributing factor to the rise of ISIS.
    I think that you minimise the help that the US has provided the Syrian opposition. And don't forget, president Assad is fighting his own war on terror, he's not fighting a conventional army out on the battlefield. He has every difficulty that the US has with civilian "collateral damage". The opposition can sucker punch him all they want, whereas he's quite aware that Western media will be reporting every civilian that falls prey to his errant bombs. As for regime change, that ambition and looking for a good reason to press it) predates even George Bush.

    Repeated NIE's document that US intervention is having the opposite (spoken) desired effect. And has actually increased terrorists and terrorism in the region, and unlike the average partisan, I'm not hesitant to point out that both parties are contributing factors. And you're right, before Hillary Clinton was against president Assad, she was for him.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Syria is a pawn in the undeclared war between Iran and Saudi. Ya can throw Turkey in as they also want regime change.
    And I think Saudi Arabia as well. But without US approval, there is no regime change in the Middle East. Were you denying the US's long standing desire for regime change in Syria?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And I think Saudi Arabia as well. But without US approval, there is no regime change in the Middle East. Were you denying the US's long standing desire for regime change in Syria?
    Obama was staying as far away from that nest of destruction as possible - reason he kept on moving his Red Lines.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Indeed we are, and I support a limited mission. I would rather provide more support to the Kurds and let them run for their independence.
    I also support a Kurdish state, Iran and Turkey not so much.
    If you want a Kurdish state the best way is to eradicate ISIS and maintain a western presence.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

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    Obama was staying as far away from that nest of destruction as possible - reason he kept on moving his Red Lines.
    Moving those red lines after his bluff was called is one reason we are in this mess. He's lost all credibility.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think that you minimise the help that the US has provided the Syrian opposition. And don't forget, president Assad is fighting his own war on terror, he's not fighting a conventional army out on the battlefield. He has every difficulty that the US has with civilian "collateral damage". The opposition can sucker punch him all they want, whereas he's quite aware that Western media will be reporting every civilian that falls prey to his errant bombs. As for regime change, that ambition and looking for a good reason to press it) predates even George Bush.

    Repeated NIE's document that US intervention is having the opposite (spoken) desired effect. And has actually increased terrorists and terrorism in the region, and unlike the average partisan, I'm not hesitant to point out that both parties are contributing factors. And you're right, before Hillary Clinton was against president Assad, she was for him.
    If our support is so effective in syria (to the unicorn moderates) why isn't isis expelled?

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Moving those red lines after his bluff was called is one reason we are in this mess. He's lost all credibility.
    Keeping the US out was his mission- They are all trying to use the US and others for their own purposes.
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