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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Great, it's about time somebody else take up the charge.
    As much as I respect the commonwealth nations etc, they dont have the resources to sustain such efforts, neither does jordan.

    Its going to fall to us, and the question really is when, not if.

    I happen to think the "when" is after this chump of a President is out.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

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    Why are they even there? Try hard here.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    As much as I respect the commonwealth nations etc, they dont have the resources to sustain such efforts, neither does jordan.

    Its going to fall to us, and the question really is when, not if.

    I happen to think the "when" is after this chump of a President is out.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Indubitably, the gulf states are pumping support to the extremists operating in Syria. Who knows if we'll ever know for sure how much effort the US has put into helping Syrian opposition overthrow president Assad? Our CIA has used training camps in Jordan and Turkey to train opposition forces, weapons systems confiscated from Gaddafi's army were smuggled to opposition forces from the Benghazi annex thru Turkey, the Obama administration repeatedly sought a UN resolution for the use of force in Syria, etc.
    I've seen no evidence of any game-changing aid to the opposition from the United States. When we aided the mujahideen in Afghanistan, we provided them with surface-to-air missiles, which nullified the threat of Soviet air power and in large part prevented the Soviet Army from winning. I admit that I'm ignorant on the specifics of US assistance to the rebels, but we haven't provided them with anything other than small arms and a few antitank missiles, and certainly not anything that would reduce Assad's barrel bombing of opposition-held areas. I've seen a pro-revolution site state that US aid to the rebels has consisted mainly of directing the flow of Saudi and Qatari aid away from the hardcore Islamist rebels and towards more moderate factions.
    Had the aid and assistance gone to president Assad instead, we wouldn't be worrying about Syria right now.
    We weren't worrying about Syria before 2011, and look where we are now. If Assad wins due to American help, we'll be in a worse position than we were before the Arab Spring because Syrian Sunnis will hate us for our support for the regime.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

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    But wait, you claimed earlier in this thread that ISIS troopers aren't real Muslims. Now they are?
    I think you have me mistaken for someone else. Please quote where I made such a statement.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Grab your boots and gun.
    Silly fallacy.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I've seen no evidence of any game-changing aid to the opposition from the United States. When we aided the mujahideen in Afghanistan, we provided them with surface-to-air missiles, which nullified the threat of Soviet air power and in large part prevented the Soviet Army from winning. I admit that I'm ignorant on the specifics of US assistance to the rebels, but we haven't provided them with anything other than small arms and a few antitank missiles, and certainly not anything that would reduce Assad's barrel bombing of opposition-held areas. I've seen a pro-revolution site state that US aid to the rebels has consisted mainly of directing the flow of Saudi and Qatari aid away from the hardcore Islamist rebels and towards more moderate factions.


    We weren't worrying about Syria before 2011, and look where we are now. If Assad wins due to American help, we'll be in a worse position than we were before the Arab Spring because Syrian Sunnis will hate us for our support for the regime.
    This is true-we gave a game-changing assistance to the muj in afghanistan.
    Im not seeing that now.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I've seen no evidence of any game-changing aid to the opposition from the United States. When we aided the mujahideen in Afghanistan, we provided them with surface-to-air missiles, which nullified the threat of Soviet air power and in large part prevented the Soviet Army from winning. I admit that I'm ignorant on the specifics of US assistance to the rebels, but we haven't provided them with anything other than small arms and a few antitank missiles, and certainly not anything that would reduce Assad's barrel bombing of opposition-held areas. I've seen a pro-revolution site state that US aid to the rebels has consisted mainly of directing the flow of Saudi and Qatari aid away from the hardcore Islamist rebels and towards more moderate factions.


    We weren't worrying about Syria before 2011, and look where we are now. If Assad wins due to American help, we'll be in a worse position than we were before the Arab Spring because Syrian Sunnis will hate us for our support for the regime.
    First of all, there has been plenty of US support for the Syrian opposition, not as much as the right would like to see, and not as much as Obama would like to have (and attempted) provided overtly, but its been there all along, to the consternation of Russia and China. Otherwise, are you denying that Syrian regime change has been a long term USFP ambition, or do I misunderstand you?
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    First of all, there has been plenty of US support for the Syrian opposition, not as much as the right would like to see, and not as much as Obama would like to have (and attempted) provided overtly, but its been there all along, to the consternation of Russia and China.
    I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that a few weeks of training and some Kalashnikovs aren't going to help against a modern state military that has tanks, aircraft and heavy artillery.
    Otherwise, are you denying that Syrian regime change has been a long term USFP ambition, or do I misunderstand you?
    I know some plan drafted under the Bush administration included Syria among a list of regime change candidates, but we've been pretty neutral about Assad pre-civil war, with Hillary Clinton referring to him as a "moderating influence." I don't think anyone in 2010 thought that Syria would be the birthplace of an extremist caliphate, but repression by a minority dictatorship is definitely a contributing factor to the rise of ISIS.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Why are they even there? Try hard here.

    On a separate note, thank you for your service. I dont agree with you (apparently) but I highly respect that.
    As I mentioned earlier, provide limited assistance. They must learn to address these issue themselves, including what causes so many Sunni to rebel in Iraq. And that one I have answered in a number of posts.
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