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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am sure no one has ever thought of that.... How are you going to do that exactly without killing countless innocents in the process and thus inspire the next generation of islamists?
    Islamists aren't real Muslims, so who cares if they get killed? Killing all those Islam hijackers would be healthy for Islam, yes?
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Islamists aren't real Muslims, so who cares if they get killed? Killing all those Islam hijackers would be healthy for Islam, yes?
    The point is you cannot just go in and kill them all without inadvertently killing a bunch of innocent people in the process. Thus you anger their families, and inspire the next generation to embrace radical Islam. Why is that so hard to understand?
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The point is you cannot just go in and kill them all without inadvertently killing a bunch of innocent people in the process. Thus you anger their families, and inspire the next generation to embrace radical Islam. Why is that so hard to understand?
    You said that the islamists aren't real Muslims anyway. So, who cares if islamists, even potential islamists get killed?

    The families and associates of the terrorists are already terrorists, or will graduate to be terrorists. How hard is that to understand?
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    We've seem this type of sensationalism before. I wouldn't assume that just because "a tribal leader" said something, that it's true.

    These people desperately want the US to fight their war for them, and they don't care about American lives or costs to the American taxpayer.
    So does anyone know, did anbar province collapse within hours? I looked at news, all they are doing is reporting an updated version (assumibly more accurate_ of the story that was published days ago.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You said that the islamists aren't real Muslims anyway. So, who cares if islamists, even potential islamists get killed?

    The families and associates of the terrorists are already terrorists, or will graduate to be terrorists. How hard is that to understand?
    I am not talking about just their families. 1. Islamists are real Muslims. They are Fundamentalist Muslims. 2. If you go in there and try to kill all the Islamists in a village you will almost certainly end up killing a not of non-Islamists as well and thus radicalize their families.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am not talking about just their families. 1. Islamists are real Muslims. They are Fundamentalist Muslims. 2. If you go in there and try to kill all the Islamists in a village you will almost certainly end up killing a not of non-Islamists as well and thus radicalize their families.
    But wait, you claimed earlier in this thread that ISIS troopers aren't real Muslims. Now they are?
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    YOU FOUND MY BLOG!!!!

    I don't think I've been able to get a bead on this but do you consider ISIS a long term strategic threat to the US if it continues to exist? And if so, do you really think that the current political actors in the region can accomplish defeating the outfit at this point without US cooperation?
    Lol, I know, I thought that was funny, if irrelevant to our discussion, but couldn't resist it. As to your question, I don't know. But I do know this, I'm sick and tired of failed US policy that then requires us have to respond to our own bad policy, and especially with our military. We keep creating crisis' that require a military response. Can we try something new, please?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    Libya is a "jihadist wonderland" ( Rand Paul) and NATO ( specifically France and Obama) decided on
    "Gaddafi must go" which brought the unholy tribal and regional conflicts along with the Islamist, and the current 2 governments,and the
    stopping of almost all oil ...etc.. (I won't go on in a longer run on sentence)..

    If you want to track Libya -I keep a thread going here Libyan civil war? -the other board I post on
    ...that shows the constant devolving into that "jihadist wonderland"

    Honestly I don't think the western influence in Syria was that great a deal though, in that Syria was going to happen
    once the 'al-Nusra types' decide to try and go after Damascus..Hillary's "Friends of Syria" & Obama's "Assad must go" stupidity aside

    It's a lot more complex in how it started in Syria then Libya at least.
    I don't know if you're denying that regime change in Syria has been a US FP ambition predating Obama or not. But in the interest of stability, we could have provided president Assad with aid as opposed to the militants who are working to overthrow his government. Nothing, NOTHING that the US has done in the Middle East has been positive, constructive or stabilising. And I assure you, had it been China or Russia that had done exactly the same things that America has been doing in the ME the last dozen years, everybody here defending USFP would be screaming how badly they had ruined the region. Only the patrons continue to defend and condone American policy in the ME.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't know if you're denying that regime change in Syria has been a US FP ambition predating Obama or not. But in the interest of stability, we could have provided president Assad with aid as opposed to the militants who are working to overthrow his government. Nothing, NOTHING that the US has done in the Middle East has been positive, constructive or stabilising. And I assure you, had it been China or Russia that had done exactly the same things that America has been doing in the ME the last dozen years, everybody here defending USFP would be screaming how badly they had ruined the region. Only the patrons continue to defend and condone American policy in the ME.
    oh I agree , how are you? Haven't spoken to you in awhile. I'm not too familiar with the Assad's pre-Obama;they were always just kina "there"

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Western support for the revolution has been modest at best, and is peanuts compared to Russian and Iranian aid to the regime. Most aid to the rebels has come from the Gulf states.
    Indubitably, the gulf states are pumping support to the extremists operating in Syria. Who knows if we'll ever know for sure how much effort the US has put into helping Syrian opposition overthrow president Assad? Our CIA has used training camps in Jordan and Turkey to train opposition forces, weapons systems confiscated from Gaddafi's army were smuggled to opposition forces from the Benghazi annex thru Turkey, the Obama administration repeatedly sought a UN resolution for the use of force in Syria, etc. Had the aid and assistance gone to president Assad instead, we wouldn't be worrying about Syria right now. But our fingerprints are on everything in the region, and nothing is the better for it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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