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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, sorry, but we haven't been out of the Middle East for several generations!
    I was referring to the US withdrawal of Afghanistan (influence of course, in the post Soviet-era) to leave it to it's own devices. And where did that end up? Only with the rise of the Taliban that provided aid and comfort to Al Qaeda and Bin Laden to plan and orchestrate the 9/11 attacks from.

    As I stated, withdrawal from an area where radicalism exists hasn't shown to be a successful strategy either.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You know, I've never got what people such as yourself on the right says that the left "doesn't have the balls to do what it takes." The fact of the matter is that Obama has bombed more countries than Bush (Lizza says Obama has bombed more nations than Bush) and the number of drone strikes have skyrocketed under administration. The following graph ONLY takes into account his first term, and even still, Obama during his first term committed six times as many drone strikes than Bush in Pakistan:



    Just what do you think that he doesn't have the "balls" to do at this point if he's willing to go that far?



    In all seriousness, what other options are there? Obama at least attempted a new strategy in Yemen with what he called "strategic patience" and look where that ended up. At this point, the only think we haven't tried is to withdraw from the area and pray they leave us alone... Oh wait, we tried that too? Say what you will about whether or not we should of invaded Iraq in the first place. But at least when we left that country in 2010 I suppose, the violence had returned to pre-war levels and there was a functioning unity government. Those two things I'll count as success every day of the week.

    In truth, the worse thing we can do is to either ignore the problem or try and downplay it as Obama has been doing this week. We know where both those roads lead.



    I'm curious, do you lump organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas with the likes of ISIS? It's true that all three will target civilian populations indiscriminately, but what about their motives? Do you see a difference? Or would they just be another place where "we need to fight"?
    Obama is willing to fling missiles, thats not the same as going in to fight and win. His drone strikes are because he dosent want to deal with the political fallout of imprisoning terrorists.

    And while I recognize ISIS is worse than say Hamas, they all need to go.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I was referring to the US withdrawal of Afghanistan (influence of course, in the post Soviet-era) to leave it to it's own devices. And where did that end up? Only with the rise of the Taliban that provided aid and comfort to Al Qaeda and Bin Laden to plan and orchestrate the 9/11 attacks from.

    As I stated, withdrawal from an area where radicalism exists hasn't shown to be a successful strategy either.
    Or, you might say that interference to begin with hasn't been successful.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama is willing to fling missiles, thats not the same as going in to fight and win. His drone strikes are because he dosent want to deal with the political fallout of imprisoning terrorists.

    And while I recognize ISIS is worse than say Hamas, they all need to go.
    As though you or anybody else can make them go, whatever that even means.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As though you or anybody else can make them go, whatever that even means.
    Is there any evil you oppose?

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Or, you might say that interference to begin with hasn't been successful.
    It was with Iraq. The problems we face today with Iraq stem from the sectarian divide in the country, and nothing to do with Bush. To demonstrate more clearly that point, understand that sectarian divide existed even under Saddam Hussein. The difference today though is that instead of having a ruthless dictator with a strong military in place to put down such insurrections, we now have a democracy in place that only serves to exacerbate those underlying sectarian issues. Of course, the fact that ISIS rolled in from the west didn't help either.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama is willing to fling missiles, thats not the same as going in to fight and win. His drone strikes are because he dosent want to deal with the political fallout of imprisoning terrorists.

    And while I recognize ISIS is worse than say Hamas, they all need to go.
    So nothing short of sending in regular american combat troops qualifies as "going in to fight and win" then?
    Last edited by Hamster Buddha; 02-16-15 at 07:09 AM.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I was referring to the US withdrawal of Afghanistan (influence of course, in the post Soviet-era) to leave it to it's own devices. And where did that end up? Only with the rise of the Taliban that provided aid and comfort to Al Qaeda and Bin Laden to plan and orchestrate the 9/11 attacks from.

    As I stated, withdrawal from an area where radicalism exists hasn't shown to be a successful strategy either.
    Radicalism made possible again by US policy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Is there any evil you oppose?
    Yes. American evil.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Is there any evil you oppose?
    Is evil recognisable to you anywhere besides Muslims, Russians, Chinese and the Democratic Party?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It was with Iraq. The problems we face today with Iraq stem from the sectarian divide in the country, and nothing to do with Bush. To demonstrate more clearly that point, understand that sectarian divide existed even under Saddam Hussein. The difference today though is that instead of having a ruthless dictator with a strong military in place to put down such insurrections, we now have a democracy in place that only serves to exacerbate those underlying sectarian issues. Of course, the fact that ISIS rolled in from the west didn't help either.



    So nothing short of sending in regular american combat troops qualifies as "going in to fight and win" then?
    Ok, Buddha, what part of this do you not understand. The government NIE of 2006 concluded that the Iraq war increased Islamic extremism and made America less safe. STOP.............pretending the Iraq war had any success.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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