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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Because Obama was denied all measure of overt support.
    Obama is a weak leader all over the place with his policies. Who would want to support that? Who would write that a blank check?

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

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    He's not fighting a guerrilla-style insurgency. The opposition, just like any other conventional force, attempts to capture and hold territory. If Assad manages to crush the rebels they might resort to guerrilla tactics, but the rebel forces are as conventional as Hezbollah.


    Barrel bombs are improvised area-of-effect weapons. They're used primarily in urban areas such as Aleppo and Damascus, and are indiscriminately dropped on rebel-held territory (since regime troops are not there, the Syrian Arab Air Force has no way of knowing if opposition fighters are actually being targeted). Most residents of Aleppo have fled the city mainly because of regime strategic bombing of the city. Such disregard for civilian welfare is very much a war crime; the US has not utilized tactics of that caliber since Vietnam. That's not even including the shabiha's massacres; the Syrian army's use of live fire, tanks, and snipers against peaceful demonstrators; chemical weapons; or the arbitrary arrests and torture of political activists and children.
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    When the Israelis kill civilians because of this, you and many others here excuse it for a host of reasons.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama is a weak leader all over the place with his policies. Who would want to support that? Who would write that a blank check?
    Other than warmongers, such as yourself, who would write any president a blank check to use our military force?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

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    I do not recall that?
    I'm sorry.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Other than warmongers, such as yourself, who would write any president a blank check to use our military force?
    Im no warmonger, but I know where we need to fight. And I'd never write such a check.

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im no warmonger, but I know where we need to fight. And I'd never write such a check.
    Yes, lots of people seem to think they know where we need to fight. I like the people that know where we need to make peace.
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, lots of people seem to think they know where we need to fight. I like the people that know where we need to make peace.
    Lolz. Why hasn't anyone thought of that? Just make peace and peace is sure to follow!

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Lolz. Why hasn't anyone thought of that? Just make peace and peace is sure to follow!
    We have knuckle dragging morons all about us, and those that can't piece together a sentence. Hopefully, we will have more literate leaders at some point, hmm?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We need to go there and kill them. Why? Because **** evil.

    Its a pitty the left doesn't have the balls to do what it takes, they never do.
    You know, I've never got what people such as yourself on the right says that the left "doesn't have the balls to do what it takes." The fact of the matter is that Obama has bombed more countries than Bush (Lizza says Obama has bombed more nations than Bush) and the number of drone strikes have skyrocketed under administration. The following graph ONLY takes into account his first term, and even still, Obama during his first term committed six times as many drone strikes than Bush in Pakistan:



    Just what do you think that he doesn't have the "balls" to do at this point if he's willing to go that far?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol, I know, I thought that was funny, if irrelevant to our discussion, but couldn't resist it. As to your question, I don't know. But I do know this, I'm sick and tired of failed US policy that then requires us have to respond to our own bad policy, and especially with our military. We keep creating crisis' that require a military response. Can we try something new, please?
    In all seriousness, what other options are there? Obama at least attempted a new strategy in Yemen with what he called "strategic patience" and look where that ended up. At this point, the only think we haven't tried is to withdraw from the area and pray they leave us alone... Oh wait, we tried that too? Say what you will about whether or not we should of invaded Iraq in the first place. But at least when we left that country in 2010 I suppose, the violence had returned to pre-war levels and there was a functioning unity government. Those two things I'll count as success every day of the week.

    In truth, the worse thing we can do is to either ignore the problem or try and downplay it as Obama has been doing this week. We know where both those roads lead.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im no warmonger, but I know where we need to fight. And I'd never write such a check.
    I'm curious, do you lump organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas with the likes of ISIS? It's true that all three will target civilian populations indiscriminately, but what about their motives? Do you see a difference? Or would they just be another place where "we need to fight"?
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    Re: Tribal leader: Iraqi troops in Anbar province could 'collapse within hours'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    You know, I've never got what people such as yourself on the right says that the left "doesn't have the balls to do what it takes." The fact of the matter is that Obama has bombed more countries than Bush (Lizza says Obama has bombed more nations than Bush) and the number of drone strikes have skyrocketed under administration. The following graph ONLY takes into account his first term, and even still, Obama during his first term committed six times as many drone strikes than Bush in Pakistan:



    Just what do you think that he doesn't have the "balls" to do at this point if he's willing to go that far?



    In all seriousness, what other options are there? Obama at least attempted a new strategy in Yemen with what he called "strategic patience" and look where that ended up. At this point, the only think we haven't tried is to withdraw from the area and pray they leave us alone... Oh wait, we tried that too? Say what you will about whether or not we should of invaded Iraq in the first place. But at least when we left that country in 2010 I suppose, the violence had returned to pre-war levels and there was a functioning unity government. Those two things I'll count as success every day of the week.

    In truth, the worse thing we can do is to either ignore the problem or try and downplay it as Obama has been doing this week. We know where both those roads lead.



    I'm curious, do you lump organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas with the likes of ISIS? It's true that all three will target civilian populations indiscriminately, but what about their motives? Do you see a difference? Or would they just be another place where "we need to fight"?
    No, sorry, but we haven't been out of the Middle East for several generations!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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