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George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

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[h=1]George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again[/h] When Iraqi tribal leaders came to D.C. looking for help against ISIL, the White House refused. Then the former president made a call.

By MARK PERRY
February 12, 2015
 
George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

When Iraqi tribal leaders came to D.C. looking for help against ISIL, the White House refused. Then the former president made a call.

By MARK PERRY
February 12, 2015

Oh God...please no. He left a big enough mess the first time around. The last thing this country needs is GWB and/or his neo-con bedmates getting involved in Iraq again. The Bush family has priors in sending US arms covertly to rebel forces....you think we would learn from our previous mistakes.
 
[h=1]George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again[/h] When Iraqi tribal leaders came to D.C. looking for help against ISIL, the White House refused. Then the former president made a call.

By MARK PERRY
February 12, 2015

Oh dear no. He's prolly telling them he's sorry for having removed Saddam Hussein.
 
We certainly don't need any more under the table Bush Family arms dealing...
 
This tells me the U.S. has strong potential allies in al Anbar, in the southern part of the territory the jihadists control, and also along the eastern edge of that territory, in Irbil and Iraqi Kurdistan. I would like to hear someone in this administration explain why this does not present a good opportunity for organizing local forces, trained and supported by the U.S., to drive back and eventually destroy the jihadists. A little is being done, gradually--but much more is needed, and quickly.

A recent L.A. Times article said a Kurdish force directed by U.S. special forces and backed by American heavy weapons may move to recapture Mosul this summer. It claimed progress has already been made in cutting the supply routes to that city from the west. I hope so--being at the extreme end of the jihadists' supply lines but near Irbil, it seems like a very good target. Losing control of Iraq's second-largest city would force the jihadists to pull back many miles to the west, and it would be a heavy blow to their presitige.

So troops on the ground will probably be needed to destroy these people. But can't much more be done from the air, even before that? Why are the people of Mosul, Raqqa, Ramadi, Tikrit, and other cities the jihadists control being allowed to give them safe haven while continuing to live fairly comfortable lives? Why do those cities still have electricity, working telephone, water, and sewer service, passable roads, and so on? Why are air and rail connections still in place? Why are the river bridges in Mosul, Raqqa, Tikrit, etc. still intact?

The U.S. could destroy any of those or other facilities from the air pretty easily. It might be done bit by bit, gradually increasing the price the inhabitants of those places had to pay for letting the jihadists shelter among them. As the misery of living in primitive conditions got worse week by week, and knowing that kicking the jihadists out by force was the only way to end it, more and more of the locals would be willing to risk that. And with an advantage in numbers of fifty or a hundred to one over the ISIS fighters in their midst, the risk of turning against them would hardly be unthinkable.

It's obvious the jihadists are mostly in or near cities in Syria and Iraq because they have so far been relatively safe there. Of course everyone sympathizes with the children who live in those cities, and with the many adults there who despise the jihadists. But many of the inhabitants are less sympathetic figures--some must be outright collaborators. That is the only sensible explanation for how so few jihadists can have controlled so many people.

A large crowd turned out in a square in Raqqa to cheer as they watched the Jordanian pilot being immolated, screaming, on a big screen that had been put up for the show. Those people can hardly have been the innocent, victimized Iraqis we've been told hate ISIS, but have been terrorized into submission. Whether collaborators or not, the inhabitants of these cities have to be forced to work together to drive the jihadists out, by making the alternative worse yet.

We should accept the unpleasant fact that getting at the jihadists may result in the deaths of many people in the cities they are in, some of whom will be innocent. Maybe the Syrians and Iraqis who let enemies of the U.S. live among them thought they could do it with impunity because Barack Obama is president--and maybe they were right. I hope not--letting ISIS keep its urban safe havens for another two years is an open invitation to another 9/11.
 
We certainly don't need any more under the table Bush Family arms dealing...
And I would say the next 18 months left in Obama's presidency can be devastating if he continues on the crooked path he has chosen. I am fed up to my eyeballs with his unwillingness to call these people Islamic terrorists. I am appalled at what lengths he will go to make a deal with Iran giving away the store in the process. I am fed up with our people having to flee embassies due to jihadist takeovers in certain parts of the world because of his fecklessness. And if that young female bimbo from the State Department gives one more press conference, I might kick my television.
What a moron! Her name is Jen Paski.
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I have never in my life seen anyone dance around a direct question as she has. What a flake. Which leads me to believe that just about everyone envolved in foreign affairs within this administration are flakes and that is why we are at greater risk than ever before.
 
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Oh God...please no. He left a big enough mess the first time around. The last thing this country needs is GWB and/or his neo-con bedmates getting involved in Iraq again. The Bush family has priors in sending US arms covertly to rebel forces....you think we would learn from our previous mistakes.

a reasonable person would opine that any help we can get to these Sunni Tribes.. our allies against ISIS... would be helpful.

If Bush can help aid these people against ISIS in his limited capacity... well, that's a good thing... more power to him.
 
We certainly don't need any more under the table Bush Family arms dealing...

if under the table Bush family arms deal helps wipe out ISIS, I'll provide the table they can deal under.

the better question is.. why are you opposed to someone helping to fight ISIS?.
 
if under the table Bush family arms deal helps wipe out ISIS, I'll provide the table they can deal under.

the better question is.. why are you opposed to someone helping to fight ISIS?.


We've gone through this before with the US arming the contra rebels in El Salvador. Remember also when the US was arming Saddam Hussein and Iraq in their war against Iran? We never seem to learn from our mistakes and are going to repeat them over and over.
 
We've gone through this before with the US arming the contra rebels in El Salvador. Remember also when the US was arming Saddam Hussein and Iraq in their war against Iran? We never seem to learn from our mistakes and are going to repeat them over and over.

each situation is separate and distinct... you'll have to come up with a better reason why we shouldn't help people fight ISIS.
 
We've gone through this before with the US arming the contra rebels in El Salvador. Remember also when the US was arming Saddam Hussein and Iraq in their war against Iran? We never seem to learn from our mistakes and are going to repeat them over and over.
One thing for sure is Isis needs to be stopped. I just read today they have captured Coptic Christians in Egypt for their next victims. Of course Egypt recently has come out against terrorist activity so it is no surprise that the next captives would be from Egypt. Go against the terrorists, your citizens will be on the nightly news of the next decapitated, crucified, or burned alive victim. These yahoos need to have the sand they are standing on pounded to glass. There is a faction of Islam gone mad and every Arab country, Western country, Israel, who calls them out will be targets until they are stopped. There is a another factor being played here and that is Iran seems to be the one who is gaining power through terrorists it funds.
 
One thing for sure is Isis needs to be stopped. I just read today they have captured Coptic Christians in Egypt for their next victims. Of course Egypt recently has come out against terrorist activity so it is no surprise that the next captives would be from Egypt. Go against the terrorists, your citizens will be on the nightly news of the next decapitated, crucified, or burned alive victim. These yahoos need to have the sand they are standing on pounded to glass. There is a faction of Islam gone mad and every Arab country, Western country, Israel, who calls them out will be targets until they are stopped. There is a another factor being played here and that is Iran seems to be the one who is gaining power through terrorists it funds.

Right, just dismiss failed US foreign policy, and do some more.
 
Oh God...please no. He left a big enough mess the first time around. The last thing this country needs is GWB and/or his neo-con bedmates getting involved in Iraq again. The Bush family has priors in sending US arms covertly to rebel forces....you think we would learn from our previous mistakes.

Someone has to do something. Obama won't...Under him this country is going to hell in a hand basket The man is pro radical Islam over his own country. Thank God people are beginning to see that before its to late...God bless President Bush.
 
Someone has to do something. Obama won't...Under him this country is going to hell in a hand basket The man is pro radical Islam over his own country. Thank God people are beginning to see that before its to late...God bless President Bush.

LOL.....God bless the guy that created the mess we are in the first place? God bless the man that manipulated public fear after 911 to "justify" Cheney/Rumsfield decades old desire to attack Iraq?

No....God bless the thousands of US soldiers that died as a result of Bush's lies. God bless their families. And God Bless all of us that we don't repeat the same mistakes with the ignorance that created even more instability in the region.

No....we don't need any more of GWB's involvement in Iraq.
 
Right, just dismiss failed US foreign policy, and do some more.

I have no issue with troops providing training, air support and such.
But the problem of ISIL needs to be addressed.
Then afterwards, the Govts have to change. Iraq policy under the past Shia PM gave ISIL what they wanted. Sunni's who had been targeted by the govt, from targeted to mass killings by Shia Militia, who are not under full control of the govt, but who have turned a blind eye.
Corruption, show trials, Iraq as I mentioned on another thread is ripe for splitting along religious/ethnic lines- And the Kurds will lead the way.

Sisi in Egypt while fighting terrorists, the Egyptian Govt like Iraq created the very same conditions for terrorists recruitment.
We have seen how the courts act in Egypt- mass show trials, hundreds at a time sentenced to death. And what effect does that have, more recruitment for terror groups.
Those that were past leaders, have been cleared of all corruption charges. Egypt is just another basket case in the ME.
 
LOL.....God bless the guy that created the mess we are in the first place? God bless the man that manipulated public fear after 911 to "justify" Cheney/Rumsfield decades old desire to attack Iraq?

No....God bless the thousands of US soldiers that died as a result of Bush's lies. God bless their families. And God Bless all of us that we don't repeat the same mistakes with the ignorance that created even more instability in the region.

No....we don't need any more of GWB's involvement in Iraq.

Don't you dare mention our brave troops.....Lefties like you are the reason we are going back to Iraq when we had the war won there and then we cut and run.
 
Don't you dare mention our brave troops.....Lefties like you are the reason we are going back to Iraq when we had the war won there and then we cut and run.

Oh puh-lease. How dare YOU mention our brave troops when you don't give a rats ass that your hero used them as pawns in his little war games. How dare YOU feign your respect for our troops when you spit on the freedoms that they fought and died for and willingly give them up for a false sense of security.

Words are cheap. Actions speak volumes. You can claim your 'support" for our troops but that claim is hollow when you are willing to send them off to die for a lie.
 
Don't you dare mention our brave troops.....Lefties like you are the reason we are going back to Iraq when we had the war won there and then we cut and run.

By the way....the war was never "won" there. There never truly was a "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED". GWB created chaos in the region without recognizing what would happen when he and his neo-con bed buddies were done. ISIS has risen as a DIRECT result of the destabilization in the region caused by Bush's originally failed policies. You can try to blame Obama all you want, but the buck stops with the Bush administration on this one friend.
 
LOL.....God bless the guy that created the mess we are in the first place? God bless the man that manipulated public fear after 911 to "justify" Cheney/Rumsfield decades old desire to attack Iraq?

No....God bless the thousands of US soldiers that died as a result of Bush's lies. God bless their families. And God Bless all of us that we don't repeat the same mistakes with the ignorance that created even more instability in the region.

No....we don't need any more of GWB's involvement in Iraq.

Bush didn't lie.

Repeateding 10 year old false naratives is a bit immature, don't you think ?

Democrats claimed Saddam had WMD and had intentions to go Nuclear before Bush ever stepped into the White House.

Not to mention they voted FOR the Iraq resolution.
 
Bush didn't lie.

Repeateding 10 year old false naratives is a bit immature, don't you think ?

Democrats claimed Saddam had WMD and had intentions to go Nuclear before Bush ever stepped into the White House.

Not to mention they voted FOR the Iraq resolution.

They seem to conveniently forget that the entire decade of the 1990's was spent (led by the Clinton Administration) searching for, and sending cruise missiles after, WMD. The idea that Bush invented it only registers in the minds of people who wish to pretend history began in the year 2000.
 
Don't you dare mention our brave troops.....Lefties like you are the reason we are going back to Iraq when we had the war won there and then we cut and run.

Plenty of lefties died over there. Who the hell are you to question them?
 
if under the table Bush family arms deal helps wipe out ISIS, I'll provide the table they can deal under.

the better question is.. why are you opposed to someone helping to fight ISIS?.

Yeah, I'm not Bush's fan, but if it helps against ISIS I'll take it.
 
Don't you dare mention our brave troops.....Lefties like you are the reason we are going back to Iraq when we had the war won there and then we cut and run.

If we had won, there would be no need to go back. What you're talking about is an occupation that never ends, which even Bush wasn't in favor of.
 
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