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George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

Actually they were patriotic Americans who foolishly believed the President was also. When a President is seditious our system does not work as the founders desired.

So they were " patriotic " back in the late 90s too ?

When they publicly warned Americans of the threat from Saddam's WMDs ?
 
Nope. I am not asking a web site. I am asking you. If Bush lied, you should easily be able to pick one specific lie and talk about it. Obviously you can't. I am calling your bluff.
No, he can't and it's nothing more than laziness when these people can't even make a half-hearted search for the truth. Of course 'the truth' often holds little interest for them as well. once their feelings are firmly entrenched. Laurence H. Silberman: The Dangerous Lie That
 
Obama could have simply said, "screw you" to the Iraqi parliament and kept an occupational force behind despite their having overwhelmingly voted for the US forces to leave, but then, there was the fiction that we had actually created a democratic republic in the Middle East to support.

Do you agree that we helped create democracies in Germany, Japan, and South Korea? We left troops behind in those nations. We did not leave troops behind in South Vietnam....and they fell to the North Vietnamese communists. We did not leave troops behind in Iraq. It should not be hard to work out that when you spill that much blood in a war, and you achieve victory, you have a right and duty to remain at some level until the new government is capable of keeping the peace.
 
Probably because most of the victims are Muslims as well.
That's true but Obama can still not name them the aggressors. Nor did he call the latest Egyptian victims Christians, despite them be selected for murder only because of that fact.

Obama is treating the American people like children and, it seems, with some justification.
 
Obama could have simply said, "screw you" to the Iraqi parliament and kept an occupational force behind despite their having overwhelmingly voted for the US forces to leave, but then, there was the fiction that we had actually created a democratic republic in the Middle East to support.
Without recognizing that AQin Iraq was an ongoing threat to the country and in fact ignoring that radical islamists even exist, how could we not have expected this to happen?
 
So they were " patriotic " back in the late 90s too ?

When they publicly warned Americans of the threat from Saddam's WMDs ?

If you remember Clinton got the U.N. to take care of Saddam's WMD's without invading Iraq. The U.N. inspectors did a good job at it too. There were no WMD's for Bush to find.
 
That's true but Obama can still not name them the aggressors. Nor did he call the latest Egyptian victims Christians, despite them be selected for murder only because of that fact.

Obama is treating the American people like children and, it seems, with some justification.

You are determined that we make war on a religion aren't you?
 
if they're so discredible just picking one should be so difficult for you. You want to make this about the source as opposed to the lies. Hard to blame you.

Your source is completely cornball. You have been cornered on the issue and you are attempting to find an article, any article that uses the words "bush lied" as an escape route. It's time for you to man up and speak for yourself. If you are so certain that Bush lied, produce one and talk about it specifically. I would expect to be asked to do the same if I state that Obama lies.
 
Actually they were patriotic Americans who foolishly believed the President was also. When a President is seditious our system does not work as the founders desired. There is far too much evidence that GW ignored CIA warnings and allowed 911 to happen for the purpose of invading Iraq. He also lied to the American people about his ambitions which was to oust Saddam from day one of his Presidency.
Now you are completely distorting the history of what happened, but because of all the disinformation out there you can't be held totally responsible.

All the politicians who believed Saddam had WMD got their information from the same sources, including the CIA and other foreign agencies as well. Surely you don''t believe that all this talk of Saddam and WMD's began with George Bush, do you?
 
Obama can't even call the murderers Muslims or the victims Christians. Most everyone but American leftists see the tragedies accruing in these regions, and the dangers spreading throughout the world.

For the life of me I can't figure out what the President is playing at. What good is there in not naming the aggressors? He is tacitly lumping moderate Muslims in with the bad guys when he refuses to call it radical Islam. He does the moderates a disservice by implying that it's all one big undifferentiated pot of Muslims that we are referring to when we say "radical Islam". The moderates need support and leadership as much as the radicals need to be wiped out.
 
That's true but Obama can still not name them the aggressors. Nor did he call the latest Egyptian victims Christians, despite them be selected for murder only because of that fact.

Obama is treating the American people like children and, it seems, with some justification.

or perhaps trying to counter the idea that Christianity is at war with Islam, rather than that some fanatics are creating havoc in the name of Islam.

An all out religious war with Islam would indeed bring about the end times, but probably not the scenario envisioned in either the Bible or the Koran.
 
No, he can't and it's nothing more than laziness when these people can't even make a half-hearted search for the truth. Of course 'the truth' often holds little interest for them as well. once their feelings are firmly entrenched. Laurence H. Silberman: The Dangerous Lie That

He is cornered and he knows it. He did not expect anyone to call his bluff.
 
If you remember Clinton got the U.N. to take care of Saddam's WMD's without invading Iraq. The U.N. inspectors did a good job at it too. There were no WMD's for Bush to find.

That is a fable invented on the fly. In the lead up to the 2003 invasion there was still no accounting for the wmds that the regime had admitted at the end of the 1991 war that they had.
 
Do you agree that we helped create democracies in Germany, Japan, and South Korea? We left troops behind in those nations. We did not leave troops behind in South Vietnam....and they fell to the North Vietnamese communists. We did not leave troops behind in Iraq. It should not be hard to work out that when you spill that much blood in a war, and you achieve victory, you have a right and duty to remain at some level until the new government is capable of keeping the peace.


In hindsight, not having gone against the wishes of the government we had set up and kept an occupying force in Iraq was the wrong decision.
 
If you remember Clinton got the U.N. to take care of Saddam's WMD's without invading Iraq. The U.N. inspectors did a good job at it too. There were no WMD's for Bush to find.
You mean store them in a building that Saddam played games with inspectors on? So much so that even demo's thought he was building a nuke and called him a threat? That good job?
 
or perhaps trying to counter the idea that Christianity is at war with Islam, rather than that some fanatics are creating havoc in the name of Islam.

An all out religious war with Islam would indeed bring about the end times, but probably not the scenario envisioned in either the Bible or the Koran.
Christians, despite the propaganda, are not at war with Islam. Nor are Jews. Islamic factions are at war with the Christians, and Jews, and those Muslims who want to stand in their way. Is that about right?
 
Do you agree that we helped create democracies in Germany, Japan, and South Korea? We left troops behind in those nations. We did not leave troops behind in South Vietnam....and they fell to the North Vietnamese communists. We did not leave troops behind in Iraq. It should not be hard to work out that when you spill that much blood in a war, and you achieve victory, you have a right and duty to remain at some level until the new government is capable of keeping the peace.

Who are America's staunchest allies?

Canada
Britain
Germany'
Japan

Three of those countries the US has attacked, one of them repelled the invasion twice.

Germany and Japan were the arch enemies of America in 1941, and their largest supporters in 1951. Why? The Marshall Plan. Both countries have solid economies and have ceased being a threat many years ago. Korea too, where the US helped rebuild the south in what was a lost war.

Since then US war making has been invade, wreck everything and leave....

And in each case, lingering hate sufficient enough to create terrorists.
 
Without recognizing that AQin Iraq was an ongoing threat to the country and in fact ignoring that radical islamists even exist, how could we not have expected this to happen?

Who is ignoring that radical Islamists even exist?
 
Clearly he did distinguish between the nuances of different lies from different Presidents. Your post here makes no sense at all other than you completely denying that this President lies for political objectives which envariably will harm people.

When did I deny that, and why would I deny that. All presidents lie, and it's always about political objectives. You think that you just said something profound? You think that an American citizen that holds no elected office who embellishes or fabricates a story that does nothing more than make themselves look good until caught, comes anywhere close to presidents lying to the American people!!!!!!!!! Are you............ok look dude, I think I've heard it all from you now.
 
You mean store them in a building that Saddam played games with inspectors on? So much so that even demo's thought he was building a nuke and called him a threat? That good job?

This is why the US is great deal less than what it could be.

At present the US has seven hot spots of terror with more on the rise in the greatest uprising in history, and Obama through his Grubers has the nation arguing about a twelve year old invasion.

Nothing is ever settled with the left. How the hell you can unite behind a common cause is beyond me, every discussion in here about what is plaguing America is "Bush's Fault"
 
Obviously you cannot. Nixon's lies led to his resigning from office in shame to avoid impeachment proceedings. Then he was gone.....no more harm. Hillary's lies in regards to Bosnia show that her sanity is in question. She is likely to be running for president in 2016. A lot of harm can certainly come if she were to manage getting elected.

To the bolded. Whereas Hillary's, none!
 
So is it a matter of Democrat Lies Good - Republican Lies Bad?

The Left has never held BHO responsible for his lies, and have only because to do so recently because they are becoming too obvious, and too dangerous, to ignore until quite recently. But it's too late now. He should have been dismissed at his first campaign attempt.

You seem to think I'm pointing to Nixon lies and ignoring Bill Clintons. Nice distraction, but I'm pointing at the difference between presidential lies and lies by unelected citizens that embellish their own exploits for glory but harm nobody. Those struggling to comprehend the difference have troubles.
 
Who are America's staunchest allies?

Canada
Britain
Germany'
Japan

Three of those countries the US has attacked, one of them repelled the invasion twice.

Germany and Japan were the arch enemies of America in 1941, and their largest supporters in 1951. Why? The Marshall Plan. Both countries have solid economies and have ceased being a threat many years ago. Korea too, where the US helped rebuild the south in what was a lost war.

Since then US war making has been invade, wreck everything and leave....

And in each case, lingering hate sufficient enough to create terrorists.

Agreed. However I would add Israel to that list of staunch allies. That is if Obama does not completely poison our relations with them.
 
You seem to think I'm pointing to Nixon lies and ignoring Bill Clintons. Nice distraction, but I'm pointing at the difference between presidential lies and lies by unelected citizens that embellish their own exploits for glory but harm nobody. Those struggling to comprehend the difference have troubles.

Hillary has done plenty of harm. Take Benghazi for instance. While the embellishment of her stop in Bosnia was not itself harmful, it did not give us confidence of her abilities as Secretary of State. Benghazi was completely mucked up and she was in charge of the state dept. The thought of someone in Hillary's mental state becoming president is even more scary.
 
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