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George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

I am no fan of Carter....however why are you referring to him as a chickenhawk? Afterall, he did serve in the US Navy.

I don't think I did that. I referred to myself as such in those days.
 
Bush didn't lie.

Repeateding 10 year old false naratives is a bit immature, don't you think ?

Democrats claimed Saddam had WMD and had intentions to go Nuclear before Bush ever stepped into the White House.

Not to mention they voted FOR the Iraq resolution.

The Dems were intimidated and lied to in order to get their votes but I know that does not matter to you. They were told that the U.N inspectors would be allowed to complete their work. Even in hindsight you persist in supporting the failed policy of preemptive invasion of sovereign nations which is right in line with Jeb and the rest of the neocons.
 
Yeah..."Mission Accomplished"...right? You actually believe that? The reality is, Bush and his neo-con cohorts had no idea the destabilization of the region that was going to happen with their invasion. The bottom line is that ISIS exists today as a direct result of the stupidity of the Bush administration. Invading Iraq was an absolute disaster and we are still paying the price today and probably will for decades to come.

One, you clearly don't have the foggiest Idea what "Mission Accomplished" means in military terms and two, Barack "Hussein" Obama declared Iraq a win as he was pulling the troops out. That was the action that spawned the ISIS mess.
 
One, you clearly don't have the foggiest Idea what "Mission Accomplished" means in military terms and two, Barack "Hussein" Obama declared Iraq a win as he was pulling the troops out. That was the action that spawned the ISIS mess.

The Bush created "Government" of Iraq was a failure from its inception. Maliki was a sectarian terrorist bent on punishing the Sunnis for Saddam's rule. The fact that Bush created an Iraq that could not function without us was not Obama's fault. He did not want to invade Iraq at all. ISIS would still have been active in Syria where they still have their "capital". It was Maliki's treatment of the Sunni's and his purging them from the military that allowed ISIS to take so much territory in Iraq. Cahnces are if we had stayed we would be experience heavy casualties from ISIS and they would be recruiting more troops to fight us too.
 
Hey, if you can show me documentation that Clinton was irresponsible in anything leading up to 9/11, I'll not deny it.

The vast majority of the planning for the 9/11/01 attacks occurred on Clinton's watch. Clinton also turned down a minimum of two made to order opportunities to either take OBL into custody or kill him. Clinton's problem was that he treated international terrorism as merely a law enforcement issue......starting with his response to the 1993 bombing of the world trade center.
 
One, you clearly don't have the foggiest Idea what "Mission Accomplished" means in military terms and two, Barack "Hussein" Obama declared Iraq a win as he was pulling the troops out. That was the action that spawned the ISIS mess.

Hold on there.

Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat

The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,’’ it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.

An opening section of the report, “Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement,” cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology.

The report “says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse,” said one American intelligence official.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/middleeast/24terror.html?pagewanted=all
 
Of course Hillary made that **** up and got busted and did what they always do. All politicians, just in case you were thinking its just a Democratic Party phenomenon, do this. And of course lefties point it out when a GOPer commits it, and the right points it out when a dem commits it, and in turn, they both excuse their own. Nothing new.

Name even one republican who made up such silly farces. Be specific.
 
The vast majority of the planning for the 9/11/01 attacks occurred on Clinton's watch. Clinton also turned down a minimum of two made to order opportunities to either take OBL into custody or kill him. Clinton's problem was that he treated international terrorism as merely a law enforcement issue......starting with his response to the 1993 bombing of the world trade center.

Looks like he could have had it both ways.
 
Name even one republican who made up such silly farces. Be specific.

Seriously, you think that no republican has ever made anything up, got busted for it and lied some more. Say, how old are you anyway?
 
I agree. Just because it's the best strategy doesn't mean that it's being implemented well. I'm not in charge here, but I do think it's the best strategy if implemented vigorously.

It's also a little more complex. There are a number of extremist groups that have existed for a while in various places with weak security that have recently pledged allegiance to ISIS. So it would be wrong to think that the ISIS of Syria and Iraq conquered territory in Afghanistan or Libya, rather the per-existing terror groups in those location have pledged allegiance to ISIS and adopted their techniques/personae.

There were a number of Nazi extremist groups in the lead up to WW2. Neville Chamberlain thought they could be contained. Today's threat worse. The difference is that today's Neville Chamberlain is Barack "Hussein" Obama.
 
The Dems were intimidated and lied to in order to get their votes but I know that does not matter to you. They were told that the U.N inspectors would be allowed to complete their work. Even in hindsight you persist in supporting the failed policy of preemptive invasion of sovereign nations which is right in line with Jeb and the rest of the neocons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc

Many of these democrats pushed wmds in Iraq long before Bush ever ran for president. Clinton made "regime change in Iraq" official policy. The same CIA chief that told Bush that wmds were in Iraq was a Clinton administration holdover. You are completely lacking in credibility.
 
One, you clearly don't have the foggiest Idea what "Mission Accomplished" means in military terms and two, Barack "Hussein" Obama declared Iraq a win as he was pulling the troops out. That was the action that spawned the ISIS mess.

Sorry....but ISIS had zero to do with pulling the troops out. ISIS was forming way before that is a direct result of the instability rot by the idiotic actions that the Bush Administration took without realizing what the consequences of those actions would be. If Obama proclaimed Iraq a victory, then he is as clueless as his predecessor. There will be no victory in Iraq at least for decades to come. Anyone with half a brain knows that. We should never have gone in there in the first place and we will be paying the price for the next several decades as a result.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc

Many of these democrats pushed wmds in Iraq long before Bush ever ran for president. Clinton made "regime change in Iraq" official policy. The same CIA chief that told Bush that wmds were in Iraq was a Clinton administration holdover. You are completely lacking in credibility.

You are lacking in history. It was GW Bush and GW Bush alone who decided on invading Iraq. No democrat ever suggested such a thing.
And as far as Clarke goes you must know that he blames Bush for failing to follow up on the warnings he had before 911. I'm surprised you would bring him up. Clarkes book exposed Bush's edict of not allowing the mention of Bin Laden in security briefings. He also mention Bush's constant insistence that Al Qaeda was not important and all he wanted was an excuse to invade Iraq. He got one too.
 
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There were a number of Nazi extremist groups in the lead up to WW2. Neville Chamberlain thought they could be contained. Today's threat worse. The difference is that today's Neville Chamberlain is Barack "Hussein" Obama.

I know everyone wants to equate every mass murdering man/group/organization to Hitler and the Nazis, but it just ain't so. In terms of evil, I agree, but capability, organization, etc. are no where on par. That's all I'm going to say. If you want to talk about the Nazis and Hitler, go to the WW2 forum.
 
Sorry....but ISIS had zero to do with pulling the troops out. ISIS was forming way before that is a direct result of the instability rot by the idiotic actions that the Bush Administration took without realizing what the consequences of those actions would be. If Obama proclaimed Iraq a victory, then he is as clueless as his predecessor. There will be no victory in Iraq at least for decades to come. Anyone with half a brain knows that. We should never have gone in there in the first place and we will be paying the price for the next several decades as a result.

ISIS is a product of disintegration in Syria and the US departure from Iraq.
 
ISIS is a product of disintegration in Syria and the US departure from Iraq.

You need to go back a bit further. ISIS formed from members of Al Qaeda in Iraq, a group that was started to kill Americans in Iraq. Who sent those Americans to Iraq?
 
Seriously, you think that no republican has ever made anything up, got busted for it and lied some more. Say, how old are you anyway?

Probably older then you, son. Eisenhower was president when I was born. I did not suggest that no republican has ever lied. My point is that no republican made up yarns as wild as to: "I dodged sniper fire in Bosnia" and "daughter Chelsea was jogging around the wtc towers when they were hit"....or "We were stone broke when leaving the White House".
 
Nope. Do some research. ISIS was forming long before that.


By 2009 the groups that became ISIS had been defeated and were in check in Iraq. The Syrian uprising degenerated into stalemate when the first wave of moderate opposition went unsupported in early 2012. Extremists took over that conflict, and with the departure of US forces from Iraq in 2011 Iraqi forces were significantly enfeebled.
 
Probably older then you, son. Eisenhower was president when I was born. I did not suggest that no republican has ever lied. My point is that no republican made up yarns as wild as to: "I dodged sniper fire in Bosnia" and "daughter Chelsea was jogging around the wtc towers when they were hit"....or "We were stone broke when leaving the White House".

That's terrible, you should know better then. When Nixon told us, "your president is not a crook", that was a really good one
 
Sorry....but ISIS had zero to do with pulling the troops out. ISIS was forming way before that is a direct result of the instability rot by the idiotic actions that the Bush Administration took without realizing what the consequences of those actions would be. If Obama proclaimed Iraq a victory, then he is as clueless as his predecessor. There will be no victory in Iraq at least for decades to come. Anyone with half a brain knows that. We should never have gone in there in the first place and we will be paying the price for the next several decades as a result.

Perhaps if you try a bit harder, you can get a point. If we had left a contingent of troops behind in Iraq, 10,000, perhaps 20,000, as we have done in most other wars where we have spilled so much blood, ISIS never would have gained a foothold. I really don't care whether you think we should have went into Iraq or not. Politicians make those choices. The point is that if we get into a war, especially one involving regime change, we should stick around long enough to make sure the military we leave behind can take care of business.
 
I know everyone wants to equate every mass murdering man/group/organization to Hitler and the Nazis, but it just ain't so. In terms of evil, I agree, but capability, organization, etc. are no where on par. That's all I'm going to say. If you want to talk about the Nazis and Hitler, go to the WW2 forum.

The Nazis were not all that organized or capable in the beginning either. There were many opportunities to quash the Nazi movement before it became powerful. I suggest you read the history.
 
The Nazis were not all that organized or capable in the beginning either. There were many opportunities to quash the Nazi movement before it became powerful. I suggest you read the history.

I suggest you quite comparing everything to Nazis and Hitler.
 
That's terrible, you should know better then. When Nixon told us, "your president is not a crook", that was a really good one

That was obviously a lie by Nixon....however it still does not rise to the hilarity of "I dodged sniper fire in Bosnia". Nixon was a crook. Hillary needs to check into a funny farm. Get the point?
 
I suggest you quite comparing everything to Nazis and Hitler.

Yeah....I know. You are embarrassed by the similarities between Neville Chamberlain and your leader, huh?
 
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