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George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

joG said:
Interesting.
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Yeah it is Jog.....and the Sheik was Right about BO Peep not listening to them. Also true is about their hope for the re-awakening. As they know its the one thing that ISIS fears most.

Which would include all those Baathist tribes.




The authors also emphasise that IS is not new, but rather emerged from the ashes of Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), one of the most brutal foes of the Americans following their 2003 invasion. AQI was largely defeated after the US convinced local tribes to rise up against them -- a strategy known as "The Awakening", which has deeply influenced IS strategy.

"From the beginning, they've been obsessed with the Awakening," said Hassan. "They've done everything to prevent it happening again: built sleeper cells, bought loyalty, divided communities. "They've succeeded in making internal resistance practically impossible. No tribe will fight them, because they will find themselves fighting their own brothers and cousins.".....snip~

IS has built near-impregnable base and mass appeal: new book
 
MMC said:
They have expanded and they have spread and gained more support.....than what has been reported. Only now is the left wing media actually grasping the concept. Huff-Po put out a piece today on how much they have spread.
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If you are talking about affiliates, then I agree. Their affiliates and groups that have sworn allegiance are in most countries in the ME. Their core location is still Syra/Iraq, however.

I still don't think it's a good idea for us to get involved on the ground more than we are already. It's bad news. There are so many threats around the world today, and our military is trying to cover everything with a reduced budget and manpower. Please don't send in a large force that will fight very well, but won't accomplish much in the long term (aka lasting peace in the ME). It's a fools errand. Lasting peace in the ME can only be accomplished when those states realize that they are destroying themselves because of hate and seeking power/hegemony. There's not much our military can do other than contain the whole lot of them as much as possible, and that is what we should be doing.
 
disneydude said:
Oh God...please no. He left a big enough mess the first time around. The last thing this country needs is GWB and/or his neo-con bedmates getting involved in Iraq again. The Bush family has priors in sending US arms covertly to rebel forces....you think we would learn from our previous mistakes.
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GWB left behind a victory in Iraq. BHO threw it away.
 
Top Cat said:
You must think you can speak for everyone.
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You want the fighting to last fotever, then have the nerve to call someone a warmonger. I guess you can't whine about Bush if the fighting ends. How many people are dying for your partisan hackery?
 
Late in the evening of Sunday, January 18, an eleven-member delegation of tribal leaders from Iraq’s western Anbar Province arrived in Washington, D.C. Just as their plane was touching down, Islamic State units back in Iraq attacked the compound of one of the delegation’s senior leaders, Sheik Ahmed Abu Risha, killing nine Iraqi police officers and wounding 28 of the sheik’s guards. A nearby Iraqi military unit failed to respond to repeated calls for help.

The brutal attack underscored the purpose of the Anbar delegation’s visit: The tribal leaders believed that they could defeat the Islamic State—but only if the Obama administration would agree to ship them weapons directly, bypassing Iraq’s untrustworthy Ministry of Defense.

Yet after they arrived in Washington the tribal leaders found themselves thwarted at every turn in their efforts to meet with high-level administration officials. They were told they would have to take up these matters with new Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi and would have to rely for weapons on those provided to them by Abadi’s ministry of defense.
That’s when George W. Bush called Abu Risha at his hotel in Washington.


Read more: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq


This again confirms that not only is Obama NOT wanting to involve in defeating ISIS, he is is not in favor of their defeat.
 
US Conservative said:
Thats the supreme irony-they want to appease evil and fight it just enough to keep war going without winning and therefor ending the fight.
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If we go kick ass, it would mean that everything they've said for the past decade was totally wrong. I guess, to them, that no price in blood is too high to protect the agenda.
 
US Conservative said:
And once again-what policies would those be? I want specifics.
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In a word non-interventionism.

As Thomas Jefferson said, "peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none. Or said another way, building positive relationships, with emphasis on free trade, and avoiding negative relationships with emphasis on military non-intervention.

Discontinue the counterproductive predator drone program and non judicial killings.

Cancel Netanyahu's planned visit to promote a US involvement in an unnecessary war with Iran.

Advance a more non-provocative Iran policy and encourage/facilitate the elimination of nuclear weapons in Pakistan and Israel that threaten Iran

Stop support of terrorist groups as has been done in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

Stop supporting the Israeli persecution of Palestinians

Essentially, the best form of terrorism insurance is to remove all troops from the Middle East and stop attempts to preserve or remove current governments, and end all government to government aid.

If you'd like some other examples of sound US policies advocated for the Middle East, you might visit the various NIE's on the subject, or essays written at any number of foreign relations foundations that advocate non-interventionist US policies for American foreign policy.
 
Montecresto said:
In a word non-interventionism.

As Thomas Jefferson said, "peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none. Or said another way, building positive relationships, with emphasis on free trade, and avoiding negative relationships with emphasis on military non-intervention.

Discontinue the counterproductive predator drone program and non judicial killings.

Cancel Netanyahu's planned visit to promote a US involvement in an unnecessary war with Iran.

Advance a more non-provocative Iran policy and encourage/facilitate the elimination of nuclear weapons in Pakistan and Israel that threaten Iran

Stop support of terrorist groups as has been done in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

Stop supporting the Israeli persecution of Palestinians

Essentially, the best form of terrorism insurance is to remove all troops from the Middle East and stop attempts to preserve or remove current governments, and end all government to government aid.

If you'd like some other examples of sound US policies advocated for the Middle East, you might visit the various NIE's on the subject, or essays written at any number of foreign relations foundations that advocate non-interventionist US policies for American foreign policy.
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well, I too see nonintervention as an ideal.... unfortunately, that hasn't been the policy of the US.... ever... not 1 single day have we ever lived under such a policy.
there's a reason for that.

the world doesn't often avail itself to ideals... sadly enough.
 
Thrilla said:
well, I too see nonintervention as an ideal.... unfortunately, that hasn't been the policy of the US.... ever... not 1 single day have we ever lived under such a policy.
there's a reason for that.

the world doesn't often avail itself to ideals... sadly enough.
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Ideals??? I don't recall mentioning them. And you're a libertarian, lol.
 
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vesper said:
One thing for sure is Isis needs to be stopped. I just read today they have captured Coptic Christians in Egypt for their next victims. Of course Egypt recently has come out against terrorist activity so it is no surprise that the next captives would be from Egypt. Go against the terrorists, your citizens will be on the nightly news of the next decapitated, crucified, or burned alive victim. These yahoos need to have the sand they are standing on pounded to glass. There is a faction of Islam gone mad and every Arab country, Western country, Israel, who calls them out will be targets until they are stopped. There is a another factor being played here and that is Iran seems to be the one who is gaining power through terrorists it funds.
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They Beheaded 21 of them today V.....Sisi of Egypt will kill as many of them as he can, but then ISIS flapped their gums outloud again about conquering Rome. They have a habit of calling all Crusaders now. Wonder when they will start crying about the Godless and then the Djinnn that's going to be coming for their ass.

We really do need some out there messing with their heads and in the worse way.




A video purporting to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages has been released by militants in Libya claiming loyalty to the Islamic State group. The killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group — which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate — has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video, speaking English, makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome."

The Associated Press could not immediately independently verify the video. But the Egyptian government and the Coptic Church, which is based in Egypt, both declared it authentic.....snip~

Video purports to show IS militants beheading hostages

Oh, note the Associated Press came up with the thought of a raised possibility of ISIS having a direct affiliate in Libya? Just a mere possibility after 3 months of declaring themselves and Emirate and pledging an entire City to ISIS.

Just where has the ASSofCitation Been recently? Alternate Universe or something, huh?
 
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apdst said:
You want the fighting to last fotever, then have the nerve to call someone a warmonger. I guess you can't whine about Bush if the fighting ends. How many people are dying for your partisan hackery?
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****ing hilarious. Now I remember why I had you on ignore.
 
Montecresto said:
Ideals??? I don't recall mentioning them.
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No. You did not. Thomas Hobbes long ago provided a vision of the world without the benign intervention of those who can order affairs to the common benefit.

"In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain, and consequently, not culture of the earth, no navigation, nor the use of commodities that may be imported by sea, no commodious building, no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force, no knowledge of the face of the earth, no account of time, no arts, no letters, no society, and which is worst of all, continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.[SUP]"[/SUP]

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Thrilla said:
non-intervention is an ideal.... it's not, nor has it ever been, a policy.
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Yes it has been a policy, just as intervention has been a policy. I think you need to reconsider your "lean", you're no libertarian!
 
MMC said:
They Beheaded 21 of them today V.....Sisi of Egypt will kill as many of them as he can, but then ISIS flapped their gums outloud again about conquering Rome. They have a habit of calling all Crusaders now. Wonder when they will start crying about the Godless and then the Djinnn that's going to be coming for their ass.

We really do need some out there messing with their heads and in the worse way.




A video purporting to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages has been released by militants in Libya claiming loyalty to the Islamic State group. The killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group — which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate — has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video, speaking English, makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome."

The Associated Press could not immediately independently verify the video. But the Egyptian government and the Coptic Church, which is based in Egypt, both declared it authentic.....snip~

Video purports to show IS militants beheading hostages

Oh, note the Associated Press came up with the thought of a raised possibility of ISIS having a direct affiliate in Libya? Just a mere possibility after 3 months of declaring themselves and Emirate and pledging an entire City to ISIS.

Just where has the ASSofCitation Been recently? Alternate Universe or something, huh?
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Come on, be fair. The AP was there for the Benghazi hearings that 'cleared all that up'.

MMC, could this be people who maybe had some connection to the spontaneous demonstrators that killed four Americans? The people Hillary "liberated"?
 
MMC said:
They Beheaded 21 of them today V.....Sisi of Egypt will kill as many of them as he can, but then ISIS flapped their gums outloud again about conquering Rome. They have a habit of calling all Crusaders now. Wonder when they will start crying about the Godless and then the Djinnn that's going to be coming for their ass.

We really do need some out there messing with their heads and in the worse way.




A video purporting to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages has been released by militants in Libya claiming loyalty to the Islamic State group. The killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group — which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate — has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video, speaking English, makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome."

The Associated Press could not immediately independently verify the video. But the Egyptian government and the Coptic Church, which is based in Egypt, both declared it authentic.....snip~

Video purports to show IS militants beheading hostages
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Oh dear Lord, how horrible. All because they were Arab Christians. The Coptic Church of Alexandria is the official name of the church in Egypt. It was founded by St Mark in 42 AD. The Muslim disdain for Christians in Egypt started in 620 AD when Mohammed waged war on Alexandria. 1,393 years later and the hatred still rages on.
 
Montecresto said:
Yes it has been a policy, just as intervention has been a policy. I think you need to reconsider your "lean", you're no libertarian!
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no, it has never been our policy.. not ever.... we have been interventionalists since our inception.


what does my lean have to with anything?... my lean doesn't change historical fact.
 
apdst said:
If we go kick ass, it would mean that everything they've said for the past decade was totally wrong. I guess, to them, that no price in blood is too high to protect the agenda.
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Thats why they dont want us to go in-politics above all else.
They know that being right yet again on Iraq proves them wrong once again.
 
Montecresto said:
In a word non-interventionism.

As Thomas Jefferson said, "peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none. Or said another way, building positive relationships, with emphasis on free trade, and avoiding negative relationships with emphasis on military non-intervention.

Discontinue the counterproductive predator drone program and non judicial killings.

Cancel Netanyahu's planned visit to promote a US involvement in an unnecessary war with Iran.

Advance a more non-provocative Iran policy and encourage/facilitate the elimination of nuclear weapons in Pakistan and Israel that threaten Iran

Stop support of terrorist groups as has been done in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

Stop supporting the Israeli persecution of Palestinians

Essentially, the best form of terrorism insurance is to remove all troops from the Middle East and stop attempts to preserve or remove current governments, and end all government to government aid.

If you'd like some other examples of sound US policies advocated for the Middle East, you might visit the various NIE's on the subject, or essays written at any number of foreign relations foundations that advocate non-interventionist US policies for American foreign policy.
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Classic.
 
SBu said:
If you are talking about affiliates, then I agree. Their affiliates and groups that have sworn allegiance are in most countries in the ME. Their core location is still Syra/Iraq, however.

I still don't think it's a good idea for us to get involved on the ground more than we are already. It's bad news. There are so many threats around the world today, and our military is trying to cover everything with a reduced budget and manpower. Please don't send in a large force that will fight very well, but won't accomplish much in the long term (aka lasting peace in the ME). It's a fools errand. Lasting peace in the ME can only be accomplished when those states realize that they are destroying themselves because of hate and seeking power/hegemony. There's not much our military can do other than contain the whole lot of them as much as possible, and that is what we should be doing.
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3 countries in Africa.....Known Chapters in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Indonesia. If they want to really get rid of the physical problem. Russia, Iran and Assad can handle Syria. The Italians, French and Brits take Libya. The US, Canada, and the Aussies take Iraq. China takes Indonesia. All start operation all on the same day. All at the same time. Naturally it includes those in the ME to go in as the pawns.....as they should.



Islamic State Sprouting Limbs Beyond Mideast......


The Islamic State is expanding beyond its base in Syria and Iraq to establish militant affiliates in Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt and Libya, American intelligence officials assert, raising the prospect of a new global war on terror.

Intelligence officials estimate that the group’s fighters number 20,000 to 31,500 in Syria and Iraq. There are less formal pledges of support from “probably at least a couple hundred extremists” in countries such as Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Yemen, according to an American counterterrorism official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential information about the group.....snip~

Video purports to show IS militants beheading hostages


Leave Yemen to the Saud, and let them deal with their sectarian divide on their own for a change.
 
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