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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    How so? And how does that apply to today in the ME?
    What do you mean, how so? Were the Nazis not destroyed?

    It applies, because we need to be more aggressive against the islamofacists.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    the lead up to the continuance of the war in Iraq is well documented.... all the reason we went back in are listed.

    it is simple rhetoric to declare it's all based on lies... there's very little truth in such rhetoric.
    when faced with the documented facts, the rhetoric, as it should, dissolves into a puddle of piss and spittle.

    my opposition to Bush , in terms of Iraq, have always stemmed on how he decided to fight the war, not the reasons he decided to fight... the reasons were valid.

    in any case, it's pretty stupid to whine about a former president doing what he can, in his limited capacity, to help out in an effort such as this.... I cannot, for the life of me, understand opposition to such.... unless, of course, these folks are opposed to the notion of fighting ISIS at all.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Agree. However, the days of committing our troops in large numbers to the ME are over. ME states will have to finally step up to the plate to confront the challenges in their own back yard. American troops can defeat any armed threat, but they can't secure a lasting peace/solution. Only the total commitment of ME states can produce that.
    However, just as with Germany in the lead up to WW2, if those nation's ultimately fail to handle the problems in their own back yards, we will be drawn into it whether we like it or not. Just think how much small a conflict WW2 would have been if we had joined in and helped shut Hitler down a couple years sooner then we did.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

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    It worked in WW2.
    Where and when was religious extremism wiped out in WW2?

    In fact, where was it practiced?
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What do you mean, how so? Were the Nazis not destroyed?

    It applies, because we need to be more aggressive against the islamofacists.
    Nazi's were NOT religious extremists ...they were anti religion. They slaughtered on racial lines, not religious, Jews primarily, but Catholics, Poles, blacks and whatever...
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Like telling Dubya he's no longer POTUS. And then tell him to stfu and go back to ranching.
    At this time Bush is the closest thing to a president we apparently have.

    Obama may not be capable of dealing with ISIS, but others are and whomever the next POTUS is will have to deal with them.

    Over time, this will be made clear to you.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If we had won, there would be no need to go back. What you're talking about is an occupation that never ends, which even Bush wasn't in favor of.
    The problem was we left too soon-and we did THAT for Obamas personal political benefit in a presidential election.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Pick one. The whole lead up to the invasion of Iraq was nothing more than lies and manipulation. Cheney/Rumsfield and Bush in a pawn role, say the opportunity to exploit the public fear after 9/11. They preyed on the weak and got the war that they had sought for decades. It was all based on lies and deceit. Then again....I suspect that you probably still buy the whole "mission accomplished" rhetoric.
    Do you ever answer with specifics? If you are so certain that Bush lied.....give an example or move on. Nobody is taking your accusations seriously, because you do not seem able to back them up.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What do you mean, how so? Were the Nazis not destroyed?

    It applies, because we need to be more aggressive against the islamofacists.
    So your carefully constructed analysis of the situation in the ME is that it is exactly as that of Nazi Germany? Therefore if we fight it just like Nazi Germany we will win? Do I have that right?

    As McCain would say, this sounds like more of a goal than a strategy.

    I tend to view Islam as a cancer to western liberalism, very similar to communism during the cold war. You deal with ideological cancers by isolating them and containing their spread. The cancer then eats itself. After eating itself, we could perhaps reengage with rational players again.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Good for him.

    As much as GWB made mistakes [what president hasn't] he has been silent too long.

    I read this and weep..



    ...as it tells me that the Obama administration has no intentions of defeating ISIS, the military's hands are tied and there is no goal
    To defeat ISIS means Obama will be admitting he made a mistake in pulling out too soon.
    We know Obama is incapable of admitting his mistakes-this is just part of a long demonstrated pattern of ignorance.

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