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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

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    Because they told the IAEA that there was none in 2003. Why would they lie about it then? We had already found the allegation to be false first hand.
    The allegation was not false; it was in fact confirmed, as documented in the Butler Review. Intelligence services routinely decline to share their reports with international organizations, and they never identify their sources.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Because they told the IAEA that there was none in 2003. Why would they lie about it then? We had already found the allegation to be false first hand.
    It's history, that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMD, and never had anything that could threaten the US. The ghost stories of mushroom clouds above us cities that scared some Americans into support of Bush's colossal foreign Policy failure in Iraq, never were even a remote possibility from that nation. Nor did Saddam Hussein have any working affiliations with AQ or OBL. Nor did Saddam Hussein give any quarters to the miscreants traumatising the country now. Americans as usual are a day late and a dollar short on realising the irreversible mistake of the Iraqi invasion and occupation, but they do know that now, as the polls have indicated. Americans were 70% against military engagement of president Assad! and polls now indicate a growing weariness of aggressive, provocative foreign policy and military engagement. With any luck, this trend will turn around, though it may be some time before it does.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's history, that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMD, and never had anything that could threaten the US. The ghost stories of mushroom clouds above us cities that scared some Americans into support of Bush's colossal foreign Policy failure in Iraq, never were even a remote possibility from that nation. Nor did Saddam Hussein have any working affiliations with AQ or OBL. Nor did Saddam Hussein give any quarters to the miscreants traumatising the country now. Americans as usual are a day late and a dollar short on realising the irreversible mistake of the Iraqi invasion and occupation, but they do know that now, as the polls have indicated. Americans were 70% against military engagement of president Assad! and polls now indicate a growing weariness of aggressive, provocative foreign policy and military engagement. With any luck, this trend will turn around, though it may be some time before it does.
    CNN Poll: 78 Percent Favor Military Authorization Against ISISNewsmax.com‎ - 2 days ago
    Poll: Most support vote for war against ISISThe Hill‎ - 2 days ago
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's history, that Saddam Hussein didn't have WMD, and never had anything that could threaten the US. The ghost stories of mushroom clouds above us cities that scared some Americans into support of Bush's colossal foreign Policy failure in Iraq, never were even a remote possibility from that nation. Nor did Saddam Hussein have any working affiliations with AQ or OBL. Nor did Saddam Hussein give any quarters to the miscreants traumatising the country now. Americans as usual are a day late and a dollar short on realising the irreversible mistake of the Iraqi invasion and occupation, but they do now know that, as the polls have indicated. Americans were 70% against military engagement of president Assad! and polls now indicate a growing weariness of aggressive, provocative foreign policy and military engagement. With any luck, this trend will turn around, though it may be some time before it does.
    I believe we need to give the Muslims a real chance at making the leap into the 21 century by allowing them to do the ground work of extermination ISIS. We also need to end support for any regime that promotes sectarian violence and that may mean the Iraqi army and Bagdad are cut off. We also need to supply the Sunni's who are rising up against ISIS with arms and supplies directly to avoid them being diverted to Shia run Bagdad. If we try to take over for the Muslims, there will surely be a change in tactics by Isis to revert into the same endless "war of attrition" where the enemy sets IED's and sends suicide bombers but otherwise is invisible to our troops. They became accustomed to this form of warfare and they will just bide their time like last time we invaded. Nothing will be won and no scores will be settled by a US invasion. It may well make the Islamic extremists stronger too.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I believe we need to give the Muslims a real chance at making the leap into the 21 century by allowing them to do the ground work of extermination ISIS. We also need to end support for any regime that promotes sectarian violence and that may mean the Iraqi army and Bagdad are cut off. We also need to supply the Sunni's who are rising up against ISIS with arms and supplies directly to avoid them being diverted to Shia run Bagdad. If we try to take over for the Muslims, there will surely be a change in tactics by Isis to revert into the same endless "war of attrition" where the enemy sets IED's and sends suicide bombers but otherwise is invisible to our troops. They became accustomed to this form of warfare and they will just bide their time like last time we invaded. Nothing will be won and no scores will be settled by a US invasion. It may well make the Islamic extremists stronger too.
    You cannot exterminate the Islamic State mentality. And the more you try, the more you push the more moderate in their direction, and, the converse is true of Christians. Boy, things as they were, and containment as it was under Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad keep looking better.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is little doubt, that as soon as the American people become antagonistic to meddling, provocative foreign policy and military engagement, that they can be spooked right back into embracing it once again, another sad but real part of American history. And there will always be the knowledgeable and educated with one thing or another to gain from it all that will not be the least bit hesitant to exploit fear to that end. This is different, though, and this isn't going to turn out the way many think it might. And I'll be here, in and out, to point it out in real time.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There is little doubt, that as soon as the American people become antagonistic to meddling, provocative foreign policy and military engagement, that they can be spooked right back into embracing it once again, another sad but real part of American history. And there will always be the knowledgeable and educated with one thing or another to gain from it all that will not be the least bit hesitant to exploit fear to that end. This is different, though, and this isn't going to turn out the way many think it might. And I'll be here, in and out, to point it out in real time.
    "We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works."

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    "We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works."

    Colin Powell, 2003
    Oh dear lord, the guy who went before the UN and the world with the lies that got all this **** going to begin with, no. You mustn't drag him out ever again. That's something and someone we must get past and forget.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh dear lord, the guy who went before the UN and the world with the lies that got all this **** going to begin with, no. You mustn't drag him out ever again. That's something and someone we must get past and forget.
    I'm quite proud of him. You are of course free to do as you wish.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm quite proud of him. You are of course free to do as you wish.
    I can appreciate that.
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