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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I just showed you evidence that the British report was entirely based on the forged documents and that when pressed they admitted their were no other sources. Unless you can document what those supposed sources were you have NOTHING.
    The forgeries were the basis of no one's claims. The British report had nothing to do with them.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I just showed you evidence that the British report was entirely based on the forged documents and that when pressed they admitted their were no other sources. Unless you can document what those supposed sources were you have NOTHING.
    From the Butler Review of British intelligence on Iraq:

    The report indicated that there was enough intelligence to make a "well-founded" judgment that Saddam Hussein was seeking, perhaps as late as 2002, to obtain uranium illegally from Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo (6.4 para. 499). In particular, referring to a 1999 visit of Iraqi officials to Niger, the report states (6.4 para. 503): "The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger's exports, the intelligence was credible."
    Stauber and Rampton, however, noted that "the Butler Report offers no details -- not even an approximate date when this may have happened, thus giving no way to assess its credibility. The British have also declined to share any information about this intelligence, even with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which was responsible for prewar monitoring of Iraq's nuclear capability. In any case, the Congo's uranium mine was flooded and sealed several decades ago, which means that Iraq would not have been able to obtain uranium there even if it tried."[2]
    This intelligence (which had controversially found its way into George W. Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech) had previously (before September 2003 [C. May, 2004]) been thought to rely on forged documents. The Butler Review stated that "the forged documents were not available to the British Government at the time its assessment was made." (6.4 para. 503) Taking into account the American intelligence community’s findings on the matter, it is true that in December 2003, then CIA director George Tenet conceded that the inclusion of the claim in the State of the Union address was a mistake. (CNN.com, 2003) However, Tenet believed so, not due to any compelling evidence to the contrary, but rather because the CIA (criticized concerning this matter by the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq [Schmidt, 2004]) had failed to investigate the claim thoroughly; however again, the Butler Review states (6.4 para. 497) in 2002 the CIA "agreed that there was evidence that [uranium from Africa] had been sought." In the run-up to war in Iraq, the British Intelligence Services apparently believed that Iraq had been trying to obtain uranium from Africa; however, no evidence has been passed on to the IAEA apart from the forged documents (6.4 Para. 502). (Times Online, 2003)
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    From the Butler Review of British intelligence on Iraq:

    The report indicated that there was enough intelligence to make a "well-founded" judgment that Saddam Hussein was seeking, perhaps as late as 2002, to obtain uranium illegally from Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo (6.4 para. 499). In particular, referring to a 1999 visit of Iraqi officials to Niger, the report states (6.4 para. 503): "The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger's exports, the intelligence was credible."
    Stauber and Rampton, however, noted that "the Butler Report offers no details -- not even an approximate date when this may have happened, thus giving no way to assess its credibility. The British have also declined to share any information about this intelligence, even with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which was responsible for prewar monitoring of Iraq's nuclear capability. In any case, the Congo's uranium mine was flooded and sealed several decades ago, which means that Iraq would not have been able to obtain uranium there even if it tried."[2]
    This intelligence (which had controversially found its way into George W. Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech) had previously (before September 2003 [C. May, 2004]) been thought to rely on forged documents. The Butler Review stated that "the forged documents were not available to the British Government at the time its assessment was made." (6.4 para. 503) Taking into account the American intelligence community’s findings on the matter, it is true that in December 2003, then CIA director George Tenet conceded that the inclusion of the claim in the State of the Union address was a mistake. (CNN.com, 2003) However, Tenet believed so, not due to any compelling evidence to the contrary, but rather because the CIA (criticized concerning this matter by the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq [Schmidt, 2004]) had failed to investigate the claim thoroughly; however again, the Butler Review states (6.4 para. 497) in 2002 the CIA "agreed that there was evidence that [uranium from Africa] had been sought." In the run-up to war in Iraq, the British Intelligence Services apparently believed that Iraq had been trying to obtain uranium from Africa; however, no evidence has been passed on to the IAEA apart from the forged documents (6.4 Para. 502). (Times Online, 2003)
    You rebutted your own claim. Oh what a tangled web we weave.....
    What about "no evidence has been passed on to the IAEQ apart from the forged documents." is confusing to you? They had nothing else.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    snopes.com: Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq

    More BS and half truths. The yellow cake removed from Iraq in 2008 was found and ID'd by UN weapon inspectors long before Bush. There is no evidence that any of it was obtained after 1991.

    So the weapons inspectors had control of that yellow cake even after Saddam kicked them out ?

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So the weapons inspectors had control of that yellow cake even after Saddam kicked them out ?
    Why ofcourse silly....the UN is magic....
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You rebutted your own claim. Oh what a tangled web we weave.....
    What about "no evidence has been passed on to the IAEQ apart from the forged documents." is confusing to you? They had nothing else.
    Your reading is quite selective. What makes you think the IAEA would be entitled to sensitive British intelligence reports?
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You rebutted your own claim. Oh what a tangled web we weave.....
    What about "no evidence has been passed on to the IAEQ apart from the forged documents." is confusing to you? They had nothing else.
    The report indicated that there was enough intelligence to make a "well-founded" judgment that Saddam Hussein was seeking, perhaps as late as 2002, to obtain uranium illegally from Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo (6.4 para. 499). In particular, referring to a 1999 visit of Iraqi officials to Niger, the report states (6.4 para. 503): "The British government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger's exports, the intelligence was credible."

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Rather than simply dealing with the lies, you summarily dismiss them all by condemning the source. As if somehow the source is the lie

    Prove the lies wrong or run along.
    Its a strongly biased blog, guy. We know the media has a left wing bent, surely there must be dozens of stories at least, right?

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    ISIL is invading the territories of these tribes and killing all their people, and they, in desperation, went to Bush for help. My heart goes out to them. There was a day when the US would have offered them some help.
    If Obama wanted to, he could lead the largest coalition of arab militaries in history to defeat ISIS, but he does not.

    He's a coward and a politician first.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    This is why the US is great deal less than what it could be.

    At present the US has seven hot spots of terror with more on the rise in the greatest uprising in history, and Obama through his Grubers has the nation arguing about a twelve year old invasion.

    Nothing is ever settled with the left. How the hell you can unite behind a common cause is beyond me, every discussion in here about what is plaguing America is "Bush's Fault"
    Welcome to the American nightmare. Thats how it is now.

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