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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    WASHINGTON, May 6 (UPI) -- U.S. officials are being advised in internal government documents to avoid referring publicly to al-Qaida and other terrorist groups as Islamic or Muslim, and not to use terms like jihad or mujahedin, which "unintentionally legitimize" terrorism.

    Read more: U.S. officials urged to avoid linking Islam, jihad with terrorism - UPI.com
    So it's now US policy to not state the bleeding obvious and you support that notion? The public must be aware of this BS and no amount of twisting the truth, no matter how determined their 'avoidance', can change the facts.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    According to the article, the deterioration of Anbar's situation started in 2004 when the Bush administration failed to support them and kept their focus on other areas and enabled the current govt.

    That's more than 10 yrs....Bush let them down back then and maybe he's trying to surface their issues with the Obama administration. Just like the overall Iraq situation, it just got worse and worse over time....seems like we should support them but it aint Obama's fault they got ****ed over in the first place (pretty much my opinion on Iraq overall....Bush is the one that ****ed them over and we really dont have a solution. So we tried to just leave...and this is part of the mess we left behind.)
    The "Anbar Awakening" accompanied by a US military surge in 2006-2007 decisively improved the situation, and in 2009 GWB handed over to BHO a victory in Iraq. BHO then threw it away.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The "Anbar Awakening" accompanied by a US military surge in 2006-2007 decisively improved the situation, and in 2009 GWB handed over to BHO a victory in Iraq. BHO then threw it away.
    I checked my liberal playbook. What you are going to see next is someone will state that President Obama had to remove our troops from Iraq and leave them to flounder because President Bush had signed a Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq. President Obama was powerless to do anything or say anything other than take credit for the withdrawal of troops.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I checked my liberal playbook. What you are going to see next is someone will state that President Obama had to remove our troops from Iraq and leave them to flounder because President Bush had signed a Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq. President Obama was powerless to do anything or say anything other than take credit for the withdrawal of troops.
    Yes, I know. It becomes tiresome. They always leave out the part where GWB put the withdrawal two years into BHO's term so BHO would have ample time to negotiate his own treaty, as all DoD planners expected.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, I know. It becomes tiresome. They always leave out the part where GWB put the withdrawal two years into BHO's term so BHO would have ample time to negotiate his own treaty, as all DoD planners expected.
    As I said, he was powerless to do or say anything other than take credit. Tiresome is right.

    What bothers me is that we are afraid to let the Kurds establish their own nation. I have been a fan of that since 2005. Let the Kurds be Kurds, maybe even let the Sunnis be Sunnis and the Shiites be Shiites. Radical I know. The Kurds should have been spilt off from the rest of Iraq years ago. We would be able to give them the weapons and training they need to protect themselves from ISIS. Let the follies of Baghdad play out without them.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Hillary has done plenty of harm. Take Benghazi for instance. While the embellishment of her stop in Bosnia was not itself harmful, it did not give us confidence of her abilities as Secretary of State. Benghazi was completely mucked up and she was in charge of the state dept. The thought of someone in Hillary's mental state becoming president is even more scary.
    What about that "reset button' with Putin (which didn't even translate properly) ? Or Obama saying, when he thought the mic was off, that he could be more 'flexible' with Russia after the election? We can only hope that all of this is due to incompetence and naivety and nothing more.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So it's now US policy to not state the bleeding obvious and you support that notion? The public must be aware of this BS and no amount of twisting the truth, no matter how determined their 'avoidance', can change the facts.
    The American public is aware of it. These were internal Bush administration documents.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    As I said, he was powerless to do or say anything other than take credit. Tiresome is right.

    What bothers me is that we are afraid to let the Kurds establish their own nation. I have been a fan of that since 2005. Let the Kurds be Kurds, maybe even let the Sunnis be Sunnis and the Shiites be Shiites. Radical I know. The Kurds should have been spilt off from the rest of Iraq years ago. We would be able to give them the weapons and training they need to protect themselves from ISIS. Let the follies of Baghdad play out without them.
    I too am a large fan of the Kurds, and was fortunate enough to visit Erbil a few years back. The Kurds' curse is that they are spread among Iraq, Turkey and Iran, so all three lean very hard against the idea of Kurdistan because independence in any one of the three would be a magnet in the other two. As a result, the Kurds' history is a long story of getting screwed, including by the US.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The difference appears to be that when Republican Presidents lie they are forced to resign but when Democrat Presidents lie their party and the Gruberites defend them,
    To the bolded, not plural, we should see more of it.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I checked my liberal playbook. What you are going to see next is someone will state that President Obama had to remove our troops from Iraq and leave them to flounder because President Bush had signed a Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq. President Obama was powerless to do anything or say anything other than take credit for the withdrawal of troops.
    You can get of SOFA's here. Status of forces agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Keep in mind that negotiating a SOFA with a country like Iraq, with all the varying factions to please, is extremely complicated. What is said for public consumption may be quite different from what goes on behind the scenes. The first SOFA negotiated by the Bush Administration took a great deal of time and everyone knew that it would have to be renegotiated later. That was a given, and true of all SOFAs.

    Barrack Obama as a candidate ran on pulling the troops from Iraq, period. There was no talk of extending SOFA or renegotiating the SOFA with Iraq. The military assumed this was just campaign promises, that about 40,000 troops would be remaining to protect what had been won. Only later did Obama use the SOFA as an excuse, that he was following the agreement signed by Bush, and so on. Another promise was to close Gitmo, and he is doing his best to do that, again against military advice.

    If you know why Obama's withdrawing the troops from Iraq as per his promise, when it was 'stable and self reliant', was a good idea then perhaps you can explain it. But the usual excuse of blaming it on Bush just doesn't cut it.

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