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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yeah..."Mission Accomplished"...right? You actually believe that? The reality is, Bush and his neo-con cohorts had no idea the destabilization of the region that was going to happen with their invasion. The bottom line is that ISIS exists today as a direct result of the stupidity of the Bush administration. Invading Iraq was an absolute disaster and we are still paying the price today and probably will for decades to come.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Monte. No need to wrap up.....I always wax hot my brutha. I agree with Sisi wholeheartedly. That it will take others from outside the ME and Africa to solve the problem. With him Letting the Sunni Imams know the World is focused on them and all they do. He has started the process.
    Lol, you big kidder. I Think your elevating the Shia above the Sunni', but I'm still not certain.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol, you big kidder. I Think your elevating the Shia above the Sunni', but I'm still not certain.
    I'm not....I haven't heard the Shia's Clerics calling on calming things down. Or talking about what they consider Islamic and of Islam. Well not in a way that would be described as a way of peace, anyways.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Nope, just that what you say didn't happen.
    Right, right, and the Republicans didn't take Obama to task for having taken credit for negotiating the troop withdrawal that Bush actually had done because, as we know from the mutability of the past, Bush didn't negotiate a troop withdrawal.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They say it will be cold here for another week to.

    I noticed that many were harping at Bush Jr. But didn't want to say much about the Sheik being directed to General Petraeus and then BO's own former General Allen. Which incidentally doesn't think BO Peep and the Lost sheep are handling things appropriately with the War on ISIS.




    Bush urged Abu Risha to extend his stay and meet with retired Gen. David Petraeus,

    Their 10-day schedule included a meeting with a White House aide and a visit to retired Gen. John Allen (Obama’s emissary to the coalition fighting the Islamic State) at his home, as well as one-on-one meetings at the State Department and Pentagon. They arrived confident that they would be They arrived confident that they would be heard; after all, the Obama administration had made the fight against the Islamic State a priority and Allen had promised during meetings with Sunni tribesmen in October in Amman, Jordan, to pass their request for arms on to the Pentagon.

    On the record, Anbar’s delegates said they were pleased by Biden’s visit. (“We’re honored that vice president took the time to see us,” Abu Risha told me.) But off the record they were bitterly disappointed. “We’re interested in fighting ISIL [Islamic State] and the administration is interested in restructuring the Iraqi government,” a delegation member said. “In the meantime, ISIL is killing our people.” (The vice president’s office did not respond to repeated requests for comment on the meeting.).....snip~

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    What did they expect Biden to say or do? He has very little authority, and can only go along with Obama's plans, whatever the hell they are. It's truly unfortunate that people are dying while he dithers, though, but what would they do if we weren't in the picture? These people have been killing each other long before the US was even a country, and while I hate to say it, they brought their troubles on themselves, all in the name of religion!

    It's interesting that Bush is meeting with Petraeus and others, but for what purpose? All of them are retired so what good does that do? Obama is going to do what he wants to do, and he is the CiC who owns this mess that he created. Do they really think that he'll take their advice if it is offered? Not much chance of that happening, IMO, because that would indicate he might not be handling the problems correctly himself, and that would never do - but meanwhile ISIL is thumbing their nose at him while they swagger, behead people, and laugh at him! So which is worse for a person with a big ego - listening to advice or being laughed at by inferior animals? Maybe toppling those dictators who had kept the lid on the ME pressure cooker wasn't the brightest thing to do after all, huh? Too late now - it's done and we see the results!


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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    What did they expect Biden to say or do? He has very little authority, and can only go along with Obama's plans, whatever the hell they are. It's truly unfortunate that people are dying while he dithers, though, but what would they do if we weren't in the picture? These people have been killing each other long before the US was even a country, and while I hate to say it, they brought their troubles on themselves, all in the name of religion!

    It's interesting that Bush is meeting with Petraeus and others, but for what purpose? All of them are retired so what good does that do? Obama is going to do what he wants to do, and he is the CiC who owns this mess that he created. Do they really think that he'll take their advice if it is offered? Not much chance of that happening, IMO, because that would indicate he might not be handling the problems correctly himself, and that would never do - but meanwhile ISIL is thumbing their nose at him while they swagger, behead people, and laugh at him! So which is worse for a person with a big ego - listening to advice or being laughed at by inferior animals? Maybe toppling those dictators who had kept the lid on the ME pressure cooker wasn't the brightest thing to do after all, huh? Too late now - it's done and we see the results!

    Good morning Polgara, -6* eeyah! They didn't completely bring it upon themselves. Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi nor Assad gave any quarters to these filthy scum.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin SBu. These guys need to be attacked on all fronts. From soft power to hard power. By those in criminal organizations, religious organizations, as well as Nations. Also to include Mercs and Assassins and any willing to go a hunting. Then we play with Psy-ops and the propaganda game while going after what means the most to them. That would be their future and their blood. What we do is our choice. I would go with banishment to another planet. We can call it the Klingon Homeworld.

    Good news.....Egypt just joined the Party and Declared War. EA Sports.....its in the Game!

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/africa...post1064318366
    Good Morning MMC. Egypt is doing airstrikes, but again, these states must do more. I agree that IS should be attacks on all fronts by Muslim states, with us providing support and security guarantees. Egypt can take Libya, Turkey/Leb./Jordan can take Syria, Saudis can take Iraq (although looks like Iran has already beat them there), and we got Afghanistan.

    When you begin to see Muslim states committing forces on the ground to battle IS in country, then you know the tide has turned in the favor of civilization.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Good Morning MMC. Egypt is doing airstrikes, but again, these states must do more. I agree that IS should be attacks on all fronts by Muslim states, with us providing support and security guarantees. Egypt can take Libya, Turkey/Leb./Jordan can take Syria, Saudis can take Iraq (although looks like Iran has already beat them there), and we got Afghanistan.

    When you begin to see Muslim states committing forces on the ground to battle IS in country, then you know the tide has turned in the favor of civilization.
    Or at least has taken a baby step in that direction. The battle of savagery vs civilization is far from over, but it is at least hopeful when we see the Islamic states battling against the fanatical extremists.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Good Morning MMC. Egypt is doing airstrikes, but again, these states must do more. I agree that IS should be attacks on all fronts by Muslim states, with us providing support and security guarantees. Egypt can take Libya, Turkey/Leb./Jordan can take Syria, Saudis can take Iraq (although looks like Iran has already beat them there), and we got Afghanistan.

    When you begin to see Muslim states committing forces on the ground to battle IS in country, then you know the tide has turned in the favor of civilization.


    Yeah, I know and there to Sisi is leading the way. As he went after ISIS types in the Sinai.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Or at least has taken a baby step in that direction. The battle of savagery vs civilization is far from over, but it is at least hopeful when we see the Islamic states battling against the fanatical extremists.
    I think it's the only way. When America comes rolling in with tons of military it lacks legitimacy in the ME. If/when the Muslim states begin to own it and deploy troops themselves to these trouble spots, then I think you will witness a regional shift in how it views security and responsibility. That is the only way to stomp out IS and achieve a more lasting relative peace. When Muslims stand up and say 'no' to extremist barbarians.

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