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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    His naivete is perpetuated by a generic hatred of this Country and a deep and unnatural obsession with our last President.
    Lol. Apparently you've missed my criticisms of the current president that you and your buddy both have a deep and unnatural obsession with.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They Beheaded 21 of them today V.....Sisi of Egypt will kill as many of them as he can, but then ISIS flapped their gums outloud again about conquering Rome. They have a habit of calling all Crusaders now. Wonder when they will start crying about the Godless and then the Djinnn that's going to be coming for their ass.

    We really do need some out there messing with their heads and in the worse way.




    A video purporting to show the mass beheading of Coptic Christian hostages has been released by militants in Libya claiming loyalty to the Islamic State group. The killings raise the possibility that the Islamic militant group — which controls about a third of Syria and Iraq in a self-declared caliphate — has established a direct affiliate less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy. One of the militants in the video, speaking English, makes direct reference to that possibility, saying the group now plans to "conquer Rome."

    The Associated Press could not immediately independently verify the video. But the Egyptian government and the Coptic Church, which is based in Egypt, both declared it authentic.....snip~

    Video purports to show IS militants beheading hostages

    Oh, note the Associated Press came up with the thought of a raised possibility of ISIS having a direct affiliate in Libya? Just a mere possibility after 3 months of declaring themselves and Emirate and pledging an entire City to ISIS.

    Just where has the ASSofCitation Been recently? Alternate Universe or something, huh?
    The Copts are one of the oldest Christian groups on earth. They have long been persecuted by Muslims, in fact in since the Muslim conquests. I noticed ISIS referred to Christians as crusaders-its clear what kind of war they believe they are fighting.

    In retrospect, Obama's decision to mention the crusades a few weeks back seems particularly unwise-but then so does everything he does.

    We need to kill ISIS. Thats the only way this nightmare ends.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oh really ??

    " Saturday, at his impromptu press confrence before leaving for a family vacation on Martha’s Vineyard, President Barack Obama claimed that no U.S. troops were left in Iraq to help keep the peace because Iraq’s refusal to sign a status of forces agreement.

    In October 2012 during the presidential debate, GOP candidate former Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) pushed the president on his decision to remove all troops.

    Romney said, “There should have been a status of forces agreement,” Obama replied, “That’s not true, no.”

    Obama added, “What I would not have done is left 10,000 Troops in Iraq that would tie us down.”

    Obama 2012: No Troops In Iraq, No Status of Forces Agreement - Breitbart


    It would seem he never had any intention of negotiating a status forces agreement
    According to government NIE's produced while Bush was still advancing his failed policies, he was exacerbating the terrorism problem and making the US less safe. So your ideas can be shelved.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Come on, be fair. The AP was there for the Benghazi hearings that 'cleared all that up'.

    MMC, could this be people who maybe had some connection to the spontaneous demonstrators that killed four Americans? The people Hillary "liberated"?
    Every day there are more cases of Islamic violence. Every day the left pretends they dont exist.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and negotiated a troop withdrawal that Obama carried out.
    It was not to be a troop withdrawal. No planner believed US forces would depart altogether in 2011. GWB left office on 20 January 2009. The end point of treaty presence in Iraq was placed more than two years in the future in order to enable the next POTUS to negotiate his own terms. DoD's initial thought was 20,000 US personnel. (That was likely GWB's thought as well.) Over time, as BHO repeatedly signaled his lack of enthusiasm, that number was whittled down until, at the end, the Iraqis deemed the offer not worth the political risk. BHO then used Iraqi indifference as an excuse to leave; that was perhaps his objective from the beginning. BHO (and Biden) proclaimed victory and then abdicated their responsibility, and began the chain of events that has given rise to ISIS.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Is the Obama economy so bad people are without running water?
    Either that or he demands convenience.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oh really ??

    " Saturday, at his impromptu press confrence before leaving for a family vacation on Martha’s Vineyard, President Barack Obama claimed that no U.S. troops were left in Iraq to help keep the peace because Iraq’s refusal to sign a status of forces agreement.

    In October 2012 during the presidential debate, GOP candidate former Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) pushed the president on his decision to remove all troops.

    Romney said, “There should have been a status of forces agreement,” Obama replied, “That’s not true, no.”

    Obama added, “What I would not have done is left 10,000 Troops in Iraq that would tie us down.”

    Obama 2012: No Troops In Iraq, No Status of Forces Agreement - Breitbart


    It would seem he never had any intention of negotiating a status forces agreement
    Yes, really:

    The Obama administration originally "wanted 10,000 troops to remain in Iraq -- not combat troops, but military advisers, special operations forces, to watch the counterterrorism effort."
    — Martha Raddatz on Sunday, August 24th, 2014 in comments on ABC's "This Week"
    Our ruling

    Raddatz said the Obama administration originally "wanted 10,000 troops to remain in Iraq -- not combat troops, but military advisers, special operations forces, to watch the counterterrorism effort."

    For a period, at least, the Obama administration did envision leaving 10,000 troops in Iraq past the Dec. 31, 2011, pullout of forces. That number went down to about 5,000 before negotiations stalled amid a legal snare over immunity of American forces in Iraqi courts.

    Her claim is accurate but needs additional information. We rate her claim Mostly True.
    Once again, Obama carried out Bush's plan to withdraw. He then claimed credit for the troop withdrawal, and was roundly and justly criticized for having taken credit for Bush's accomplishment.

    Of course, now that the troop withdrawal is seen in hindsight as a bad idea, it was all Obama's idea.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Oh dear Lord, how horrible. All because they were Arab Christians. The Coptic Church of Alexandria is the official name of the church in Egypt. It was founded by St Mark in 42 AD. The Muslim disdain for Christians in Egypt started in 620 AD when Mohammed waged war on Alexandria. 1,393 years later and the hatred still rages on.
    They are Christian but they don't consider themselves arabs. And the hatred and violence of Islam never stops. Even when the "moderate" Muslim brotherhood was in control, Copts were being persecuted and ancient churches were destroyed.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Every day there are more cases of Islamic violence. Every day the left pretends they dont exist.
    wtf, I've seen plenty on the left and right as well as policy papers by various foreign policy organisations, and the governments own NIE that point out that US policies in the ME for the past dozen years have exacerbated terrorist activities and Islamic extremism, and made the US less safe. What orbit are you in?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    wtf, I've seen plenty on the left and right as well as policy papers by various foreign policy organisations, and the governments own NIE that point out that US policies in the ME for the past dozen years have exacerbated terrorist activities and Islamic extremism, and made the US less safe. What orbit are you in?
    That is, at best, a misleadingly oversimplified description. At worst it is a falsified description.
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