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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes it has been a policy, just as intervention has been a policy. I think you need to reconsider your "lean", you're no libertarian!
    no, it has never been our policy.. not ever.... we have been interventionalists since our inception.


    what does my lean have to with anything?... my lean doesn't change historical fact.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If we go kick ass, it would mean that everything they've said for the past decade was totally wrong. I guess, to them, that no price in blood is too high to protect the agenda.
    Thats why they dont want us to go in-politics above all else.
    They know that being right yet again on Iraq proves them wrong once again.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In a word non-interventionism.

    As Thomas Jefferson said, "peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none. Or said another way, building positive relationships, with emphasis on free trade, and avoiding negative relationships with emphasis on military non-intervention.

    Discontinue the counterproductive predator drone program and non judicial killings.

    Cancel Netanyahu's planned visit to promote a US involvement in an unnecessary war with Iran.

    Advance a more non-provocative Iran policy and encourage/facilitate the elimination of nuclear weapons in Pakistan and Israel that threaten Iran

    Stop support of terrorist groups as has been done in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

    Stop supporting the Israeli persecution of Palestinians

    Essentially, the best form of terrorism insurance is to remove all troops from the Middle East and stop attempts to preserve or remove current governments, and end all government to government aid.

    If you'd like some other examples of sound US policies advocated for the Middle East, you might visit the various NIE's on the subject, or essays written at any number of foreign relations foundations that advocate non-interventionist US policies for American foreign policy.
    Classic.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    If you are talking about affiliates, then I agree. Their affiliates and groups that have sworn allegiance are in most countries in the ME. Their core location is still Syra/Iraq, however.

    I still don't think it's a good idea for us to get involved on the ground more than we are already. It's bad news. There are so many threats around the world today, and our military is trying to cover everything with a reduced budget and manpower. Please don't send in a large force that will fight very well, but won't accomplish much in the long term (aka lasting peace in the ME). It's a fools errand. Lasting peace in the ME can only be accomplished when those states realize that they are destroying themselves because of hate and seeking power/hegemony. There's not much our military can do other than contain the whole lot of them as much as possible, and that is what we should be doing.

    3 countries in Africa.....Known Chapters in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Indonesia. If they want to really get rid of the physical problem. Russia, Iran and Assad can handle Syria. The Italians, French and Brits take Libya. The US, Canada, and the Aussies take Iraq. China takes Indonesia. All start operation all on the same day. All at the same time. Naturally it includes those in the ME to go in as the pawns.....as they should.



    Islamic State Sprouting Limbs Beyond Mideast......


    The Islamic State is expanding beyond its base in Syria and Iraq to establish militant affiliates in Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt and Libya, American intelligence officials assert, raising the prospect of a new global war on terror.

    Intelligence officials estimate that the group’s fighters number 20,000 to 31,500 in Syria and Iraq. There are less formal pledges of support from “probably at least a couple hundred extremists” in countries such as Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia and Yemen, according to an American counterterrorism official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential information about the group.....snip~

    Video purports to show IS militants beheading hostages


    Leave Yemen to the Saud, and let them deal with their sectarian divide on their own for a change.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Classic.
    I figured you weren't really interested in policy ideas that differed from the failed ones that have been advanced so far in the ME.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Come on, be fair. The AP was there for the Benghazi hearings that 'cleared all that up'.

    MMC, could this be people who maybe had some connection to the spontaneous demonstrators that killed four Americans? The people Hillary "liberated"?

    Nah, that was Ansar al Shariah.....she let them work as security for Benghazi.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Classic.
    Nice catch..

    Right out of the Obama playbook!

    I like canceling Netanyahu's speech will be really effective! I see the terrorists huddling in fear: "Achmed, we are doomed. We fooled the American president in Libya...bt now they are not letting Natanyahu speak! Make peace with Allah! We will be with him soon!
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You ruin your credibility calling veterans chickenhawks, having never served a single day in the service.
    I'm a veteran of the Army during Carter's administration, I recall being very pumped up as a young man about Iran, and later the Falklands and Grenada. Unfortunately, young men have that chicken hawk mentality. Sometimes it is outgrown though.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Oh dear Lord, how horrible. All because they were Arab Christians. The Coptic Church of Alexandria is the official name of the church in Egypt. It was founded by St Mark in 42 AD. The Muslim disdain for Christians in Egypt started in 620 AD when Mohammed waged war on Alexandria. 1,393 years later and the hatred still rages on.

    As soon as they get an attack off in Vatican City.....that's when they will open up that can that wont close up until there is an ending. One that they never thought about fully.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I figured you weren't really interested in policy ideas that differed from the failed ones that have been advanced so far in the ME.

    Obama's policy that cleared every last remnant of US military assets out of Iraq would qualify as an attempt to not " intervene " and it was a desperately foolish policy decision that enabled Isis's expansion into Iraq.

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