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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Interesting.
    Yeah it is Jog.....and the Sheik was Right about BO Peep not listening to them. Also true is about their hope for the re-awakening. As they know its the one thing that ISIS fears most.

    Which would include all those Baathist tribes.




    The authors also emphasise that IS is not new, but rather emerged from the ashes of Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), one of the most brutal foes of the Americans following their 2003 invasion. AQI was largely defeated after the US convinced local tribes to rise up against them -- a strategy known as "The Awakening", which has deeply influenced IS strategy.

    "From the beginning, they've been obsessed with the Awakening," said Hassan. "They've done everything to prevent it happening again: built sleeper cells, bought loyalty, divided communities. "They've succeeded in making internal resistance practically impossible. No tribe will fight them, because they will find themselves fighting their own brothers and cousins.".....snip~

    IS has built near-impregnable base and mass appeal: new book

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They have expanded and they have spread and gained more support.....than what has been reported. Only now is the left wing media actually grasping the concept. Huff-Po put out a piece today on how much they have spread.
    If you are talking about affiliates, then I agree. Their affiliates and groups that have sworn allegiance are in most countries in the ME. Their core location is still Syra/Iraq, however.

    I still don't think it's a good idea for us to get involved on the ground more than we are already. It's bad news. There are so many threats around the world today, and our military is trying to cover everything with a reduced budget and manpower. Please don't send in a large force that will fight very well, but won't accomplish much in the long term (aka lasting peace in the ME). It's a fools errand. Lasting peace in the ME can only be accomplished when those states realize that they are destroying themselves because of hate and seeking power/hegemony. There's not much our military can do other than contain the whole lot of them as much as possible, and that is what we should be doing.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Oh God...please no. He left a big enough mess the first time around. The last thing this country needs is GWB and/or his neo-con bedmates getting involved in Iraq again. The Bush family has priors in sending US arms covertly to rebel forces....you think we would learn from our previous mistakes.
    GWB left behind a victory in Iraq. BHO threw it away.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You of all people suggesting someone, anyone lacks credibility? HILARIOUS.
    You must want the war to last forever.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You must want the war to last forever.
    Thats the supreme irony-they want to appease evil and fight it just enough to keep war going without winning and therefor ending the fight.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You must want the war to last forever.
    You must think you can speak for everyone.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You must think you can speak for everyone.
    You want the fighting to last fotever, then have the nerve to call someone a warmonger. I guess you can't whine about Bush if the fighting ends. How many people are dying for your partisan hackery?
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Late in the evening of Sunday, January 18, an eleven-member delegation of tribal leaders from Iraq’s western Anbar Province arrived in Washington, D.C. Just as their plane was touching down, Islamic State units back in Iraq attacked the compound of one of the delegation’s senior leaders, Sheik Ahmed Abu Risha, killing nine Iraqi police officers and wounding 28 of the sheik’s guards. A nearby Iraqi military unit failed to respond to repeated calls for help.

    The brutal attack underscored the purpose of the Anbar delegation’s visit: The tribal leaders believed that they could defeat the Islamic State—but only if the Obama administration would agree to ship them weapons directly, bypassing Iraq’s untrustworthy Ministry of Defense.

    Yet after they arrived in Washington the tribal leaders found themselves thwarted at every turn in their efforts to meet with high-level administration officials. They were told they would have to take up these matters with new Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi and would have to rely for weapons on those provided to them by Abadi’s ministry of defense.
    That’s when George W. Bush called Abu Risha at his hotel in Washington.


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    This again confirms that not only is Obama NOT wanting to involve in defeating ISIS, he is is not in favor of their defeat.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats the supreme irony-they want to appease evil and fight it just enough to keep war going without winning and therefor ending the fight.
    If we go kick ass, it would mean that everything they've said for the past decade was totally wrong. I guess, to them, that no price in blood is too high to protect the agenda.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And once again-what policies would those be? I want specifics.
    In a word non-interventionism.

    As Thomas Jefferson said, "peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none. Or said another way, building positive relationships, with emphasis on free trade, and avoiding negative relationships with emphasis on military non-intervention.

    Discontinue the counterproductive predator drone program and non judicial killings.

    Cancel Netanyahu's planned visit to promote a US involvement in an unnecessary war with Iran.

    Advance a more non-provocative Iran policy and encourage/facilitate the elimination of nuclear weapons in Pakistan and Israel that threaten Iran

    Stop support of terrorist groups as has been done in Egypt, Libya and Syria.

    Stop supporting the Israeli persecution of Palestinians

    Essentially, the best form of terrorism insurance is to remove all troops from the Middle East and stop attempts to preserve or remove current governments, and end all government to government aid.

    If you'd like some other examples of sound US policies advocated for the Middle East, you might visit the various NIE's on the subject, or essays written at any number of foreign relations foundations that advocate non-interventionist US policies for American foreign policy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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