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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I think we need to go back to the pre-Vietnam mindset, where if we spill the blood of our troops to rid a nation of an evil regime, we should leave enough troops behind to guarantee the peace, at least until the new government's military can step up to the plate.
    Indeed-especially after the price we paid.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What we're currently doing is ineffective. We can't even contain the way you want, with our current operations.
    This is a marathon, not a sprint. If you are looking for immediate effects, you won't find them.

    I do slightly agree with you that we could be much more aggressive in containing this issue, but what can you do when the administration refuses to call the problem a problem.

    I can see that there's no reason I can speak that will persuade you against sending in troops en masse. I however, still think that is a terrible idea.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

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    George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    When Iraqi tribal leaders came to D.C. looking for help against ISIL, the White House refused. Then the former president made a call.

    By MARK PERRY
    February 12, 2015
    Why would Obama meet with them? He would have to admit he has no plan and is just waiting his time out so someone else can deal with the issue.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Tribal makeup of Iraq: Arab tribes in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Maliki trying to court Sunni tribes after he purged them from politics/military: To retake cities, Iraq turns to Sunni tribes - The Washington Post

    Some Sunni tribes has aligned themselves with ISIS due to Baghdad's actions since our withdrawl: Did ISIS really take Mosul? (Plus a tip of the hat to Obama for no dithering on Iraq) | Foreign Policy

    The Other Battle In Iraq: Winning Over Sunni Muslims : Parallels : NPR

    This should get you started... I doubt you will read them, but to illustrate my sincerity.
    Not one of which even makes the claim this war is tribal and not ISIS.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It also comes down to a matter of clear policy. There is none.

    First Iraq is over, out of the minds of Americans enough they think it is won, and there have been sufficient posts making that claim. First, Obama was tough on terror, "I killed bin Laden" and his "heroism" in sleeping while Seal Team Six waited.

    Then we have an immediate and pressing threat to US National Security that Obama is running around balthering about "red lines", his new SS waxing eloquent about "teeny attacks" all of which simply faded from the headlines in America, but left some simmering still in the land where bullets and bandages were making fortunes...

    Then we had not a "teensy attack" but a vaguely described bombing campaign amid alerting the enemy to specifics like "no boots on the ground" giving them sufficient time to dig in. Then we have a lackluster effort where the enemy owns the airwaves enabling them to recruit worldwide as a force that is standing up to the great satan and winning. At the same time, terrorism is spreading throughout the ME and Obama sends no message, allowing his handling of Benghazi to stand as a "success" in the minds of Americans and the terrorists who did it at the same time.

    Now we have a commitment to go to congress and do......does anyone know?
    A leader would go before the American people and make his case. This means Obama wont.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    It's what chickenhawks do.
    What unit did you serve in and which combat theater were you deployed.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    This is a marathon, not a sprint. If you are looking for immediate effects, you won't find them.

    I do slightly agree with you that we could be much more aggressive in containing this issue, but what can you do when the administration refuses to call the problem a problem.

    I can see that there's no reason I can speak that will persuade you against sending in troops en masse. I however, still think that is a terrible idea.
    At this pace we wont finish the marathon.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And here we come to the crux of the matter. This is about Islam for you, not about ISIL.
    Is it your understanding that all Muslims are "Islamists"? That's rather unfair.
    I'm not interested in your fascist opinions about muslims and it'll never pass constitutional muster so forget it, you will never get your wish to discriminate against innocent people based solely on their religion alone.
    In fact I was asking you what your plan might be to solve the problem of Islamists. Do you have a solution?.
    Your dreams of a fascist Canada will never be realized.
    In fact that might be an Islamists dream but it's certainly not mine.

    We are all familiar, btw, how leftists will shout "Racism" or "Fascism" when their ignorance is being exposed. This was tired a decade ago.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What unit did you serve in and which combat theater were you deployed.
    Hippy brigade. He was in the **** in Toronto back in the late 60's no doubt, smoking but not inhaling.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    It also comes down to a matter of clear policy. There is none.

    First Iraq is over, out of the minds of Americans enough they think it is won, and there have been sufficient posts making that claim. First, Obama was tough on terror, "I killed bin Laden" and his "heroism" in sleeping while Seal Team Six waited.

    Then we have an immediate and pressing threat to US National Security that Obama is running around balthering about "red lines", his new SS waxing eloquent about "teeny attacks" all of which simply faded from the headlines in America, but left some simmering still in the land where bullets and bandages were making fortunes...

    Then we had not a "teensy attack" but a vaguely described bombing campaign amid alerting the enemy to specifics like "no boots on the ground" giving them sufficient time to dig in. Then we have a lackluster effort where the enemy owns the airwaves enabling them to recruit worldwide as a force that is standing up to the great satan and winning. At the same time, terrorism is spreading throughout the ME and Obama sends no message, allowing his handling of Benghazi to stand as a "success" in the minds of Americans and the terrorists who did it at the same time.

    Now we have a commitment to go to congress and do......does anyone know?
    The only commitments Obama is concerned with are protecting Islam and his healthcare bill.

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