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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Everyone who voted for this schmuck a second time deserves to hang their heads in shame.
    This is what was meant by hope and change, apparently.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The enemy WANTS a ground war with America and the west, they WANT you to intervene, they're begging for a ground war.
    Really? Of course you have a source outlining their optimistic dreams, right? I'd really like to see it, if possible.
    That should tell you something, they will be able to kill scores of Western soldiers... if you think that's not the case and that only ISIS soldiers will be killed you're kidding yourself.
    Is this actually a tryout for the vacancy in the Jon Stewart Show?
    That remains to be seen.
    Do you sincerely believe that another 'shock and awe' campaign over their territory would not cripple ISL?
    Iraqi government militias and the kurds have pushed forward and its been reported that many members of ISIS are going AWOL and they no longer have the ability to move in large numbers to reinforce their positions across their territory leading to losses.
    The first casualty of war and the succeeding fog. Let's really make sure. The Kurds, the people who suffered under Saddam's genocidal policy, need more help.
    This fantasy notion that the airstrikes haven't worked at all is a fallacy.
    They have had limited success in some areas but not significant enough to eliminate. In fact, according to you, they are stronger than ever and itching for a larger fight.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And here we come to the crux of the matter.

    This is about Islam for you, not about ISIL.

    I'm not interested in your fascist opinions about muslims and it'll never pass constitutional muster so forget it, you will never get your wish to discriminate against innocent people based solely on their religion alone.

    Your dreams of a fascist Canada will never be realized.
    Apparently its spin time. He said Islamists, not Islam.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The man has morals because he's willing to put other peoples lives on the line to make a point about how "Tough on terrorism" he is?

    Let me tell you this, if you've just been through two major wars that have lasted over a decade and cost you an arm and a leg and you have a chance to solve a problem using relatively cheaper air strikes and supporting local allies why wouldn't you take it?

    Why are you guys in such a rush to throw troops into the mix.

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    It's what chickenhawks do.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    If this is the case, then your strategy provides all of the fuel that enables ISIS to make war against us. Now, ISIS doesn't have that capability. They are limited in their ability to attack the west by disillusioned misfits that have failed to adjust and then go on a lone wolf rampage; or by capturing naive individuals that go to Syria for humanitarian/journalistic reasons. If you send a whole bunch of troops to go fight ISIS, you are handing them a present in their lap, which is the ability to directly engage American troops, and create propaganda. You've just given them the ability to make war. Second, you have given them the ability to recruit a lot more and possibly even unite disaffected groups to oppose American military intervention.

    I don't see how this strategy would be better than what we are currently doing. It would cost more, aid the enemy, enable the enemy, and put many more American lives in danger.
    What we're currently doing is ineffective. We can't even contain the way you want, with our current operations.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Will the "she" you are talking about again regale us with stories about taking sniper fire in Bosnia? Or her daughter happening to be jogging around the world trade center towers when the jets hit them on 9/11/01? Or will she get mental health counseling?
    What fascinates me about HRC is her unnecessary lying, like telling the people of New Zealand she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. This was just to ingratiate herself with the Kiwis, a group of people with no influence at all in American elections and very easily, and quickly, disproven. Unless, of course, The Rodham family had a premonition that, several years later, a Kiwi greengrocer would one day conquer Mt. Everest.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh we're going to need some links for that.

    Unless you are in Iraq, have a personal relationship with more than a few tribal leaders, we are going to need tons of documentation on that one.
    Tribal makeup of Iraq: Arab tribes in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Maliki trying to court Sunni tribes after he purged them from politics/military: To retake cities, Iraq turns to Sunni tribes - The Washington Post

    Some Sunni tribes has aligned themselves with ISIS due to Baghdad's actions since our withdrawl: Did ISIS really take Mosul? (Plus a tip of the hat to Obama for no dithering on Iraq) | Foreign Policy

    The Other Battle In Iraq: Winning Over Sunni Muslims : Parallels : NPR

    This should get you started... I doubt you will read them, but to illustrate my sincerity.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I did not say or even suggest they are close to getting nukes. I was just wondering if you had a point in mind where you thought ISIS was enough of a threat to justify US intervention with ground troops.
    But who knows. Iran is very close to getting nukes. Pakistan has nukes. It's not hard to imagine ISIS at some point getting their hands on nukes(not developing them).



    The similarity is that we have let what started out as a small problem grow into a much bigger threat. In Germany, Most of Europe was too timid to take on the Nazi issue early on and the US stood back and said let them handle it...it's in their own back yard. Today the same thing is happening in regards to ISIS. Most of the middle eastern nations are too cow towed to respond seriously. And the US is again saying: "Let's just contain them." The problem is not going away until ISIS is destroyed as a viable military or terrorist organization.




    As ISIS continues to gain ground and slaughter innocents.


    It also comes down to a matter of clear policy. There is none.

    First Iraq is over, out of the minds of Americans enough they think it is won, and there have been sufficient posts making that claim. First, Obama was tough on terror, "I killed bin Laden" and his "heroism" in sleeping while Seal Team Six waited.

    Then we have an immediate and pressing threat to US National Security that Obama is running around balthering about "red lines", his new SS waxing eloquent about "teeny attacks" all of which simply faded from the headlines in America, but left some simmering still in the land where bullets and bandages were making fortunes...

    Then we had not a "teensy attack" but a vaguely described bombing campaign amid alerting the enemy to specifics like "no boots on the ground" giving them sufficient time to dig in. Then we have a lackluster effort where the enemy owns the airwaves enabling them to recruit worldwide as a force that is standing up to the great satan and winning. At the same time, terrorism is spreading throughout the ME and Obama sends no message, allowing his handling of Benghazi to stand as a "success" in the minds of Americans and the terrorists who did it at the same time.

    Now we have a commitment to go to congress and do......does anyone know?
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Rush to throw troops into the mix? It was the premature desire to remove troops that got us into this mess with ISIS.

    Stand and fight.
    I think we need to go back to the pre-Vietnam mindset, where if we spill the blood of our troops to rid a nation of an evil regime, we should leave enough troops behind to guarantee the peace, at least until the new government's military can step up to the plate.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post

    At least Bush was a honest man which is far more than I can say for his critics and Obama.
    Dubya's lies are well documented. Someone could write a book about them. Oh wait, they already have.

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