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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    The people who advocate going to war with ISIS on the ground, don't understand that this is a sectarian civil war and each tribe is simply trying to fight for who they think is going to win in their local area. To get involved in something like that is stupid in the first place, and really stupid when you consider what the benefit is in this case...which there is none. 'A better ME?' I don't give a damn about a better ME, and it has been proven that our presence there does not in fact make it better.
    Oh we're going to need some links for that.

    Unless you are in Iraq, have a personal relationship with more than a few tribal leaders, we are going to need tons of documentation on that one.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact Islamism is gaining ground with ISL being just one faction.

    You understand that this 'evil' you speak of is being spread throughout the world? What do you suppose the world do in response? Curtail Muslim immigration? Deport Muslims back to some Islamic country like Afghanistan? Destroy their mosques? Or do you advise we continue along the same path as now, using a non-existent strategy?
    And here we come to the crux of the matter.

    This is about Islam for you, not about ISIL.

    I'm not interested in your fascist opinions about muslims and it'll never pass constitutional muster so forget it, you will never get your wish to discriminate against innocent people based solely on their religion alone.

    Your dreams of a fascist Canada will never be realized.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's not my point Thrilla.

    I'm saying that people are trying to justify intervening in Iraq... AGAIN on very flimsy ground.

    There's alot of wrong in this world and it's not our job to put it all right.

    It'd be very nice if we could... but we can't and the current strategy has contained the situation and ISIS is losing ground... why choose now to get involved and spend more blood and treasure trying to stop evil in a place that's rife with it.

    Some of the militias the Iraqi government is using to push back against ISIS is committing atrocities themselves... so who do we support that doesn't commit evil.
    Its not flimsy ground-its ground you dont like. Theres a difference.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Presidents, plural, have contributed to the destabilisation of the Middle East. I'd like to see Americans kick both dinosaurs to the curb and put an independent party president in the WH that won't do what our own NIE's have proven cause Islamic extremism in the first place.
    And once again-what policies would those be? I want specifics.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

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    And once again-what policies would those be? I want specifics.
    Don't hold your breath or anything.

    "Specifics" are rare earth when dealing with Obamaland
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Clearly if they would be able to get close to getting nukes, that would force our hand. But that is not the case. To suggest that they are close to getting nukes is irresponsible and doesn't help us clearly work our way through the problem.
    I did not say or even suggest they are close to getting nukes. I was just wondering if you had a point in mind where you thought ISIS was enough of a threat to justify US intervention with ground troops.
    But who knows. Iran is very close to getting nukes. Pakistan has nukes. It's not hard to imagine ISIS at some point getting their hands on nukes(not developing them).

    The threat Europe faced in Germany at that time is much more similar to the Russian threat today, and not ISIS. ISIS is really not similar at all to Nazi Germany other than they we both willing to commit atrocities.
    The similarity is that we have let what started out as a small problem grow into a much bigger threat. In Germany, Most of Europe was too timid to take on the Nazi issue early on and the US stood back and said let them handle it...it's in their own back yard. Today the same thing is happening in regards to ISIS. Most of the middle eastern nations are too cow towed to respond seriously. And the US is again saying: "Let's just contain them." The problem is not going away until ISIS is destroyed as a viable military or terrorist organization.


    The powers in the region are capable of dealing with this threat so long as we support them. I still think containment here is the best strategy.
    As ISIS continues to gain ground and slaughter innocents.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    First, may I ask where is your line when it comes to evil? Does it come into play before your child is raped or after?

    No one has ever carried the burden nor expectation that he is responsible for evil, the comment is absurd.

    And why even ask about North Korea etc. I missed the part where the US recently invaded North Korea and left a mess. I missed the part where Obama made a huge case over a "red line" and then backed away.

    I would suggest that a step in eliminating evil would be getting Obama out of the Oval Office
    It used to be POTUS was the leader of the free world. Now what we have in the white house isnt a leader, let alone of the free world.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The enemy WANTS a ground war with America and the west, they WANT you to intervene, they're begging for a ground war.

    That should tell you something, they will be able to kill scores of Western soldiers... if you think that's not the case and that only ISIS soldiers will be killed you're kidding yourself.



    That remains to be seen.

    Iraqi government militias and the kurds have pushed forward and its been reported that many members of ISIS are going AWOL and they no longer have the ability to move in large numbers to reinforce their positions across their territory leading to losses.

    This fantasy notion that the airstrikes haven't worked at all is a fallacy.
    Not that I differ with that, but why in your opinion does ISIS want a ground war?
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    She will.....
    Will the "she" you are talking about again regale us with stories about taking sniper fire in Bosnia? Or her daughter happening to be jogging around the world trade center towers when the jets hit them on 9/11/01? Or will she get mental health counseling?

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The enemy WANTS a ground war with America and the west, they WANT you to intervene, they're begging for a ground war.

    That should tell you something, they will be able to kill scores of Western soldiers... if you think that's not the case and that only ISIS soldiers will be killed you're kidding yourself.



    That remains to be seen.

    Iraqi government militias and the kurds have pushed forward and its been reported that many members of ISIS are going AWOL and they no longer have the ability to move in large numbers to reinforce their positions across their territory leading to losses.

    This fantasy notion that the airstrikes haven't worked at all is a fallacy.
    The Japanese wanted war with the US when they struck the US, we gave it to them, how did that turn out?
    If Iraq has to again be a lightning rod for terrorists so we can kill and defeat them so be it...its better for the US and world there and now than in more places later.

    Yes, this means soldiers will die, and thats horrible but so is war. Its better than ISIS.

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