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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The man has morals because he's willing to put other peoples lives on the line to make a point about how "Tough on terrorism" he is?

    Let me tell you this, if you've just been through two major wars that have lasted over a decade and cost you an arm and a leg and you have a chance to solve a problem using relatively cheaper air strikes and supporting local allies why wouldn't you take it?

    Why are you guys in such a rush to throw troops into the mix.

    The reason I care so much is Harper is gonna get us involved and Canada will lose more sons and daughters to appease American far right extremists who think war is the answer to everything and I think that's a bunch of bull****.
    I dont need to be in the military to support military intervention and even if I was, the military does not make such policy-civilian politicians do.
    We have already provided aid, and are conducting airstrikes-they aren't substantive.

    That leaves us with either boots on the ground, or fighting a war that can't be won.

    Buck up-show some courage-we need to fight them even if you dont want to.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    and what is your solution to north Korea?...
    That's not my point Thrilla.

    I'm saying that people are trying to justify intervening in Iraq... AGAIN on very flimsy ground.

    There's alot of wrong in this world and it's not our job to put it all right.

    It'd be very nice if we could... but we can't and the current strategy has contained the situation and ISIS is losing ground... why choose now to get involved and spend more blood and treasure trying to stop evil in a place that's rife with it.

    Some of the militias the Iraqi government is using to push back against ISIS is committing atrocities themselves... so who do we support that doesn't commit evil.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's not my point Thrilla.

    I'm saying that people are trying to justify intervening in Iraq... AGAIN on very flimsy ground.

    There's alot of wrong in this world and it's not our job to put it all right.

    It'd be very nice if we could... but we can't and the current strategy has contained the situation and ISIS is losing ground... why choose now to get involved and spend more blood and treasure trying to stop evil in a place that's rife with it.

    Some of the militias the Iraqi government is using to push back against ISIS is committing atrocities themselves... so who do we support that doesn't commit evil.
    The people who advocate going to war with ISIS on the ground, don't understand that this is a sectarian civil war and each tribe is simply trying to fight for who they think is going to win in their local area. To get involved in something like that is stupid in the first place, and really stupid when you consider what the benefit is in this case...which there is none. 'A better ME?' I don't give a damn about a better ME, and it has been proven that our presence there does not in fact make it better.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I recognize evil exists, I just don't think it's my personal job to extinguish all evil in the world.

    If you try to justify Iraq on humanitarian grounds alone then there's plenty of other places that could use your help... the list above is where I'd like you to start since you're now the moral arbiter and policemen of the world.

    First, may I ask where is your line when it comes to evil? Does it come into play before your child is raped or after?

    No one has ever carried the burden nor expectation that he is responsible for evil, the comment is absurd.

    And why even ask about North Korea etc. I missed the part where the US recently invaded North Korea and left a mess. I missed the part where Obama made a huge case over a "red line" and then backed away.

    I would suggest that a step in eliminating evil would be getting Obama out of the Oval Office
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You don't seem to understand the role of the military and what they are trained to do. It would be the ISL terrorists whose lives would be on the line.
    The enemy WANTS a ground war with America and the west, they WANT you to intervene, they're begging for a ground war.

    That should tell you something, they will be able to kill scores of Western soldiers... if you think that's not the case and that only ISIS soldiers will be killed you're kidding yourself.

    Because it is ineffective and thus will cost more lives over the long term. Responding in a halfassed way will never win a war, as history clearly indicates.
    That remains to be seen.

    Iraqi government militias and the kurds have pushed forward and its been reported that many members of ISIS are going AWOL and they no longer have the ability to move in large numbers to reinforce their positions across their territory leading to losses.

    This fantasy notion that the airstrikes haven't worked at all is a fallacy.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The man has morals because he's willing to put other peoples lives on the line to make a point about how "Tough on terrorism" he is?

    Let me tell you this, if you've just been through two major wars that have lasted over a decade and cost you an arm and a leg and you have a chance to solve a problem using relatively cheaper air strikes and supporting local allies why wouldn't you take it?

    Why are you guys in such a rush to throw troops into the mix.

    The reason I care so much is Harper is gonna get us involved and Canada will lose more sons and daughters to appease American far right extremists who think war is the answer to everything and I think that's a bunch of bull****.
    Rush to throw troops into the mix? It was the premature desire to remove troops that got us into this mess with ISIS.

    Stand and fight.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well, of course Bush had to step in, Obama was too busy taking selfies at BuzzFeed.
    As Iraq burns...

    This is probably a typical day at the whitehouse.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That's not my point Thrilla.

    I'm saying that people are trying to justify intervening in Iraq... AGAIN on very flimsy ground.

    There's alot of wrong in this world and it's not our job to put it all right.

    It'd be very nice if we could... but we can't and the current strategy has contained the situation and ISIS is losing ground... why choose now to get involved and spend more blood and treasure trying to stop evil in a place that's rife with it.

    Some of the militias the Iraqi government is using to push back against ISIS is committing atrocities themselves... so who do we support that doesn't commit evil.
    In fact Islamism is gaining ground with ISL being just one faction.

    You understand that this 'evil' you speak of is being spread throughout the world? What do you suppose the world do in response? Curtail Muslim immigration? Deport Muslims back to some Islamic country like Afghanistan? Destroy their mosques? Or do you advise we continue along the same path as now, using a non-existent strategy?

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    As Iraq burns...
    Everyone who voted for this schmuck a second time deserves to hang their heads in shame.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    North Korea has a pretty evil ideology... you know there are 200, 000 North Korean languishing in Prison Camps as we speak, women and children are subjected to sexual abuse of the very worst kind and people are starved, beaten and tortured often having no idea why they are even there.

    That's pretty evil too...

    But for whatever reason you want to focus on this one evil and throw troops into a meat grinder for what exactly?
    North Korea is also largely marginalized, and we have powerful allies in the region.

    Cant say that about NK right now-but when they start invading other nations and beheading people get back to me.

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