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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    For the moment lets say thats true-then what? Walk on eggshells? Cede Iraq to terrorists and Iran? Appease evil?

    Not good enough.
    How about Americans install some brains in the WH for once that might advance sound policy, rather than knuckle draggers that keep doing things that create situations that so many think have only a military response.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I recognize evil exists, I just don't think it's my personal job to extinguish all evil in the world.

    If you try to justify Iraq on humanitarian grounds alone then there's plenty of other places that could use your help... the list above is where I'd like you to start since you're now the moral arbiter and policemen of the world.
    Extinguish ALL evil? I dont believe thats possible, but here and now-with ISIS is indeed where we need to fight-because we have the means and ISIS is evil. And no, Im not "justifying" Iraq on humanitarian grounds alone-If I was I'd advocate for the UN to go in (meaning nothing would happen).

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How so?
    The objective of any military operation is to destroy the enemy's ability to make war.
    If this is the case, then your strategy provides all of the fuel that enables ISIS to make war against us. Now, ISIS doesn't have that capability. They are limited in their ability to attack the west by disillusioned misfits that have failed to adjust and then go on a lone wolf rampage; or by capturing naive individuals that go to Syria for humanitarian/journalistic reasons. If you send a whole bunch of troops to go fight ISIS, you are handing them a present in their lap, which is the ability to directly engage American troops, and create propaganda. You've just given them the ability to make war. Second, you have given them the ability to recruit a lot more and possibly even unite disaffected groups to oppose American military intervention.

    I don't see how this strategy would be better than what we are currently doing. It would cost more, aid the enemy, enable the enemy, and put many more American lives in danger.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    She will.....
    I dont support Hillary, and think she is an increasingly weak candidate-but I do believe she'd do a better job than Obama.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Go back to the thread in which you said "nice list" and take a look at the very nice list I provided you.
    No, go back to my post about the last seven years. Let's discuss today instead of your deliberately distorted version of history. Let's for once in your life answer a ****ing question without resorting to childish insults.

    What about the fact Obama has more wars now than Bush did at his peak. However, we have seen enough to know that you won't pony up to the bar
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How about Americans install some brains in the WH for once that might advance sound policy, rather than knuckle draggers that keep doing things that create situations that so many think have only a military response.
    What "sound policies" would solve the ISIS problem? This will be good.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I recognize evil exists, I just don't think it's my personal job to extinguish all evil in the world.
    Seriously, no one would expect you to. Leftists care about abortion, climate change and higher welfare payments.
    If you try to justify Iraq on humanitarian grounds alone then there's plenty of other places that could use your help...
    No doubt. But politics is 'the art of the possible' and in the case of Iraq, what could provide the longest long term benefits.

    the list above is where I'd like you to start since you're now the moral arbiter and policemen of the world.
    The man has morals whereas the lefts morals remain obscure. And unless you support terrorism you should fight against it but, as usual, leftists remain part of the problem rather than offering a solution.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Extinguish ALL evil? I dont believe thats possible, but here and now-with ISIS is indeed where we need to fight-because we have the means and ISIS is evil. And no, Im not "justifying" Iraq on humanitarian grounds alone-If I was I'd advocate for the UN to go in (meaning nothing would happen).
    Then what other reason is there to go in?

    By evil I'm assuming you mean the atrocities they have committed...

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I recognize evil exists, I just don't think it's my personal job to extinguish all evil in the world.

    If you try to justify Iraq on humanitarian grounds alone then there's plenty of other places that could use your help... the list above is where I'd like you to start since you're now the moral arbiter and policemen of the world.
    i'm sure the list of evils that you don't support fighting is lengthy, but are there any on the list you would actually support opposing?

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Then what other reason is there to go in?

    By evil I'm assuming you mean the atrocities they have committed...
    Not just the atrocities-but rather that ideology-thats its ok to forcibly suppress, to murder, to commit genocide, to terrorize-where that mindset and capacity exists-support intervention. You are looking at the symptoms rather than the disease.

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