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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    So your carefully constructed analysis of the situation in the ME is that it is exactly as that of Nazi Germany? Therefore if we fight it just like Nazi Germany we will win? Do I have that right?

    As McCain would say, this sounds like more of a goal than a strategy.

    I tend to view Islam as a cancer to western liberalism, very similar to communism during the cold war. You deal with ideological cancers by isolating them and containing their spread. The cancer then eats itself. After eating itself, we could perhaps reengage with rational players again.
    The objective of any military operation is to destroy the enemy's ability to make war. A strategy should always be built around that ibjective.
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    No. It used to be (before Obama certainly but hes been highly destructive as leftism is) we would fight evil based on ideology as well.
    We like freedom, not subjugation and terror.

    We rightly start with our own best interests, as all nations do.

    There is no shortage of reasons to go back in. And perhaps even worse if we dont-we set a precedence.

    Some things are worth fighting for-eradicating ISIS is one of those things.
    So is freeing North Korea, Eritrea, Turkmenistan, Equatorial Guinea etc....

    Those places are pretty evil to their people in my opinion.

    The fact of the matter is at this time there are not many reasons to go back in except Conservative Bravado to score cheap political points against Obama.

    Confronting evil lol, you can't even confront the evil on your own doorstep let alone do it across the world.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The objective of any military operation is to destroy the enemy's ability to make war. A strategy should always be built around that ibjective.
    If that is the case, then I think doing what you suggest is the exact opposite of your objective.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I think it is a mistake to compare Nazi Germany (a large country, with a powerful military, a singular national vision of conquest, etc) to the chaotic disjointed situation of the ME. I really don't see any reason for us to go into the ME and try to 'fix' it. It is possible to contain the problem if the world works together to do so. I think that would be more effective and cost us less in manpower and financial cost. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be involved in the region, it just means that there is no military solution to an ideological problem.
    I suggest that you take the time to read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. When the Nazi problem started, Germany still not recovered from WW! did not have a powerful military. In the early stages of that conflict, France and Great Britain could have whipped Germany. They just did not take the threat seriously until it was on their doorsteps. Millions of innocent jews were getting slaughtered while so-called "containment" option was going on. ISIS is now beheading innocent women, children, and even infants. How bad are you suggesting we let it get before we take the threat seriously? ISIS and Al Queda with nukes?

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh that was a huge part of the reason for the war..

    Come on. You are comparing a honor code in the Japanese culture with Islamic extremism and the wholesale slaughter of women, children and innocents for the terror value. I missed the part where the Japanese only targeted civilians like AL-Qaeda, ISIS and all of them.....
    Only in the sense that religion did indeed play a role in both, but they are very different obviously.

    And Japan did indeed target civilians at times, for example the rape of nanking.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    If that is the case, then I think doing what you suggest is the exact opposite of your objective.
    How so?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight

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    Sunday, September 24, 2006

    Note the date, and stop peddling lies!!


    The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has increased the number of terrorist groups worldwide and "made the overall terrorism problem worse," a U.S. intelligence official said in a secret study.

    Report: Iraq War Made Terror 'Worse' - CBS News
    Help me out here...

    An eight year old CBS news item about "reports" from an unidentified agent is proof of what exactly? There has been eight years for their to have been some proof of this "report", where is it?

    I am absolutely certain the war on terror creates terrorists, but you have provided nothing concrete to show that.

    And in doing so, can we maybe look at what has happened in the last 7 years? Obama had wars on two fronts, one he declared 'won' and brought the troops home for his coronation. Since then, we have a renewed, far more serious war in Iraq and the war on terror has spread from one country to Libya, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Somalia, Yemen and is no where near declining in Afghanistan.

    How is George Bush responsible for that? And if he is, how is it that in 7 years hasn't been able to undo the alleged damage Obama has wrought?
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So is freeing North Korea, Eritrea, Turkmenistan, Equatorial Guinea etc....

    Those places are pretty evil to their people in my opinion.

    The fact of the matter is at this time there are not many reasons to go back in except Conservative Bravado to score cheap political points against Obama.

    Confronting evil lol, you can't even confront the evil on your own doorstep let alone do it across the world.
    Did you miss where I said we start where it suits our own best interests as all nations do?

    Guinea? For reals?

    The left has a real problem with even recognizing evil exists-its part of the charm of moral relativism.

    Thats the bad news-the good news is that Obama's term is running down and once he's gone (and perhaps earlier if the political winds dictate) we are going back in to kill those mofo's.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yeah we all know the left wanted to cut and run in 06 as well. Bush actually led, and defeated them, passing that on to Obama until he left for politics.

    This is the same situation. You dont fight evil by appeasing it, and ISIS is the most evil thing Ive seen in my lifetime.

    Courage-get some.
    US spy agencies are all on the left too now, lol. What a failure at critical thinking. Not arm chair warriors such as yourself, but boots on the ground agencies, working at the pleasure of George Bush, produced report after report that US intervention in the Middle East was exacerbating terrorism, and indeed it is far more rampant today then it was in 2000.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Help me out here...

    An eight year old CBS news item about "reports" from an unidentified agent is proof of what exactly? There has been eight years for their to have been some proof of this "report", where is it?

    I am absolutely certain the war on terror creates terrorists, but you have provided nothing concrete to show that.

    And in doing so, can we maybe look at what has happened in the last 7 years? Obama had wars on two fronts, one he declared 'won' and brought the troops home for his coronation. Since then, we have a renewed, far more serious war in Iraq and the war on terror has spread from one country to Libya, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Somalia, Yemen and is no where near declining in Afghanistan.

    How is George Bush responsible for that? And if he is, how is it that in 7 years hasn't been able to undo the alleged damage Obama has wrought?
    To the bolded, WOW,
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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