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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the lead up to the continuance of the war in Iraq is well documented.... all the reason we went back in are listed.

    it is simple rhetoric to declare it's all based on lies... there's very little truth in such rhetoric.
    when faced with the documented facts, the rhetoric, as it should, dissolves into a puddle of piss and spittle.

    my opposition to Bush , in terms of Iraq, have always stemmed on how he decided to fight the war, not the reasons he decided to fight... the reasons were valid.

    in any case, it's pretty stupid to whine about a former president doing what he can, in his limited capacity, to help out in an effort such as this.... I cannot, for the life of me, understand opposition to such.... unless, of course, these folks are opposed to the notion of fighting ISIS at all.
    To the Obama world this is an insult to the don.

    Netanyahu is evil because he dared "school" the idiot new president, and his address to congress becomes an international incident with petty aides attacking a world leader.

    It's not his skin color but the lack of it's thickness we are dealing with. Any other president would have asked for input long before this. It's not like Bush is unfamiliar with the players...
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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm sorry. You obviously don't know the difference between direct facts from the people who were actively involved and opinions.
    You didn't provide any facts or proof of anything. But I appreciate the aggressive tenor of your nonsense.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Where and when was religious extremism wiped out in WW2?

    In fact, where was it practiced?
    I'd argue that the Japanese warrior code was significantly influenced by religion. In addition to cultural historical influences, and govt.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The problem was we left too soon-and we did THAT for Obamas personal political benefit in a presidential election.
    Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight

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    Sunday, September 24, 2006

    Note the date, and stop peddling lies!!


    The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has increased the number of terrorist groups worldwide and "made the overall terrorism problem worse," a U.S. intelligence official said in a secret study.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-i...-terror-worse/
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    However, just as with Germany in the lead up to WW2, if those nation's ultimately fail to handle the problems in their own back yards, we will be drawn into it whether we like it or not. Just think how much small a conflict WW2 would have been if we had joined in and helped shut Hitler down a couple years sooner then we did.
    I think it is a mistake to compare Nazi Germany (a large country, with a powerful military, a singular national vision of conquest, etc) to the chaotic disjointed situation of the ME. I really don't see any reason for us to go into the ME and try to 'fix' it. It is possible to contain the problem if the world works together to do so. I think that would be more effective and cost us less in manpower and financial cost. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be involved in the region, it just means that there is no military solution to an ideological problem.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Hurting U.S. Terror Fight

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    Sunday, September 24, 2006

    Note the date, and stop peddling lies!!
    Yeah we all know the left wanted to cut and run in 06 as well. Bush actually led, and defeated them, passing that on to Obama until he left for politics.

    This is the same situation. You dont fight evil by appeasing it, and ISIS is the most evil thing Ive seen in my lifetime.

    Courage-get some.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Yeah we all know the left wanted to cut and run in 06 as well. Bush actually led, and defeated them, passing that on to Obama until he left for politics.

    This is the same situation. You dont fight evil by appeasing it, and ISIS is the most evil thing Ive seen in my lifetime.

    Courage-get some.
    So your premise is that we go in on humanitarian concerns alone?

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    So your carefully constructed analysis of the situation in the ME is that it is exactly as that of Nazi Germany? Therefore if we fight it just like Nazi Germany we will win? Do I have that right?

    As McCain would say, this sounds like more of a goal than a strategy.

    I tend to view Islam as a cancer to western liberalism, very similar to communism during the cold war. You deal with ideological cancers by isolating them and containing their spread. The cancer then eats itself. After eating itself, we could perhaps reengage with rational players again.
    Neville Chamberlain thought the same about that little Nazi problem. He thought they could be contained and isolated.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So your premise is that we go in on humanitarian concerns alone?
    No. It used to be (before Obama certainly but hes been highly destructive as leftism is) we would fight evil based on ideology as well.
    We like freedom, not subjugation and terror.

    We rightly start with our own best interests, as all nations do.

    There is no shortage of reasons to go back in. And perhaps even worse if we dont-we set a precedence.

    Some things are worth fighting for-eradicating ISIS is one of those things.

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    Re: George W. Bush Is Intervening in Iraq—Again

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I'd argue that the Japanese warrior code was significantly influenced by religion. In addition to cultural historical influences, and govt.
    Oh that was a huge part of the reason for the war..

    Come on. You are comparing a honor code in the Japanese culture with Islamic extremism and the wholesale slaughter of women, children and innocents for the terror value. I missed the part where the Japanese only targeted civilians like AL-Qaeda, ISIS and all of them.....
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