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    Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    The officers attempted to use a stun gun to incapacitate Zambrano-Montes after he would not obey commands to surrender, before they opened fire and killed him, the statement said.
    A video of the incident posted on YouTube and cited by local media showed the man running away from the three officers before he was killed.
    In the 22-second video, the man moves across the street from the pursuing policemen. He turns to face them briefly, lifting his right arm as if to throw another object, when they open fire, according to the video.
    Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them



    here's the Video:





    Can someone tell me at what point in the video the man "lifting his right arm as if to throw another object, when they open fire, according to the video."?


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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    here's the Video:





    Can someone tell me at what point in the video the man "lifting his right arm as if to throw another object, when they open fire, according to the video."?


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    The video only shows 10 seconds of the exchange. At this moment, we have no context of the situation, how long it lasted, or even if the cops told him to halt when bolted. In other words, let's not jump to conclusions like we did with Ferguson...

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    It's entirely open to interpretation but I can see the movement they're referring to.

    I'm sure there will be a formal investigation (probably several!) where all the evidence will be presented and conclusions reached. I see nothing to gain and plenty to lose from promoting yet another trail by internet. It's entirely up to you whether you choose to feed the hate and profiteering that inevitably surrounds such cases.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The video only shows 10 seconds of the exchange. At this moment, we have no context of the situation, how long it lasted, or even if the cops told him to halt when bolted. In other words, let's not jump to conclusions like we did with Ferguson...


    did you watch at around the 20 second mark?
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    here's the Video:





    Can someone tell me at what point in the video the man "lifting his right arm as if to throw another object, when they open fire, according to the video."?


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    From a witness:

    Witness questions fatal shooting of rock-throwing man by Pasco police | The Today File | Seattle Times

    Pasco resident Benjamin Patrick was with his wife and three children at the Fiesta Foods market in Pasco Tuesday afternoon and saw the man, whom Patrick described as between the ages of 25 and 30, struggling with a police officer on the side of the street. Patrick said he got out of his car and was going to help the officer when two other Pasco police officers drove up and confronted the man.

    Patrick said he man was yelling at police. He said the man picked up two “rocks or dirt clods” and threw one, but it didn’t hit anyone.

    At that point, he said, one of the officers tried to use a Taser, but Patrick doesn’t think both of the darts connected with the man. He said the man appeared to pull a dart from his arm, and then start walking across the intersection, which Patrick described as one of the busiest in town.

    “That’s when they started shooting,” Patrick said in a telephone interview Wednesday with The Seattle Times. He counted five shots. “I could not believe they were shooting guns. There were cars and people everywhere.”

    Patrick believes the man was first hit at that point. “I saw him react, sort of jump, like he’d been stung by a bee,” he said.

    The man kept walking across the street onto the sidewalk, with the officers in pursuit. Patrick said he heard the police tell the man to get on the ground several times. The man appeared to turn, and a second volley of shots was fired and the man collapsed.

    “I am really upset about what I saw,” said Patrick, who added that he was going to go to City Hall Wednesday to voice his concerns.

    “Yes, he was resisting. Yes, he was wrong. But it looked like there might be something wrong with him. And he wasn’t hurting anyone. He had a rock, not a gun. It seems it could have been handled differently.”
    If that is correct and he does have some mental issues, then it's another instance of that not being properly dealt with. But rocks are weapons and he could have hurt someone. I agree though it could have been handled differently.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    It's entirely open to interpretation but I can see the movement they're referring to.

    I'm sure there will be a formal investigation (probably several!) where all the evidence will be presented and conclusions reached. I see nothing to gain and plenty to lose from promoting yet another trail by internet. It's entirely up to you whether you choose to feed the hate and profiteering that inevitably surrounds such cases.


    How do we discuss such events then? I'm not sure I support police shooting fleeing suspects in heavily populated areas, and I question at this point, the "arm raising" claim.

    I can see that a fleeing suspect suddenly turning may cause one or more of the officers to get the "flee or fight" response and shoot, but we should not remain silent when we see such videos out of fear of x,y, or z.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    From a witness:

    Witness questions fatal shooting of rock-throwing man by Pasco police | The Today File | Seattle Times



    If that is correct and he does have some mental issues, then it's another instance of that not being properly dealt with. But rocks are weapons and he could have hurt someone. I agree though it could have been handled differently.

    "“That’s when they started shooting,” Patrick said in a telephone interview Wednesday with The Seattle Times. He counted five shots. “I could not believe they were shooting guns. There were cars and people everywhere.”"



    yeah, this part disturbs me, the first round of shots was to a man walking away, in a busy intersection like that? To me not worth the risk of killing innocents,
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    did you watch at around the 20 second mark?
    Ah no I didn't, heard the gun shots in at that mark and just thought that was it. Well my bad.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Ah no I didn't, heard the gun shots in at that mark and just thought that was it. Well my bad.



    I did that too at first.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    did you watch at around the 20 second mark?
    Did you watch around the 18 second mark? What did you see?

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