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Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

I think you are subjectively interpreting this motion from the angle viewed. Why would he do this in order to provoke a lethal response if he actually had no weapon ? Why did the police then shoot him multiple times when it must have been obvious he had no weapon in his hand from their far closer vantage ?

Why do people do such a thing? Because they want the elicited response?
 
No it is not. You have to be HONEST and report what actually happened. He turns. His hands are already out front. He reaches with both hands into his waistband. He pulls both hands together and towards the cops. He presents as a threat. He is shot.

I completely agree they shouldnt have shot the FIRST time. The second time was absolutely justified based solely on his actions.



nonsense, try to tickle a child at thier belly who is ticklish. you'll get the same auto-motor response.
 
Why do people do such a thing? Because they want the elicited response?




this is not the same thing at all.... Then again, why did this cop shoot this guy because he took his hands out, as commanded? but I don't really have an issue with this one, there was a report of people flashing a gun, he matched the description and behaved like he had something.
 
nonsense, try to tickle a child at thier belly who is ticklish. you'll get the same auto-motor response.

This wasnt a child being tickled.This was a man running from the cops that then stopped, turned to face the cops with outstretched hands, then reached into his waistband and raised both arms towards the cops. The video is clear...its not even speculative as to his actions. You can question the internal motivations of someone that was reported to be mentally challenged all you like, but you CANNOT question his actions. They are on video.
 
this is not the same thing at all.... Then again, why did this cop shoot this guy because he took his hands out, as commanded? but I don't really have an issue with this one, there was a report of people flashing a gun, he matched the description and behaved like he had something.

Absolutely. FOr some crazy reason, he behaved like he had one and the cop responded. The cop shouldnt have to wait until after he or she is shot before they respond and based on the preponderance of circumstance, should be authorized to act, with lethal force if necessary.

That EXACTLY describes the Washington state shooting.
 
This wasnt a child being tickled.This was a man running from the cops that then stopped, turned to face the cops with outstretched hands, then reached into his waistband and raised both arms towards the cops. The video is clear...its not even speculative as to his actions. You can question the internal motivations of someone that was reported to be mentally challenged all you like, but you CANNOT question his actions. They are on video.



The point is to show the natural defense reflex. never goes to the waistband they close in h doubles over to protect his stomach and puts his hands up in a defensive posture.

that is whats on the video.
 
Really? so shooting at the dood running away in a crowded intersection is a "split second decision"?

Nope, shooting at the guy that turns towards you in an aggressive manner, is a split second decision. As Quanell X of the black panthers indicated in the previously linked cite:

It all happened so fast," he added. "You don’t know what they could have in their hand.”
 
Absolutely. FOr some crazy reason, he behaved like he had one and the cop responded. The cop shouldnt have to wait until after he or she is shot before they respond and based on the preponderance of circumstance, should be authorized to act, with lethal force if necessary.

That EXACTLY describes the Washington state shooting.




dude was throwing rocks, no reports of guns, dude walked away and was shot at then ran away from the police and turned around in a defensive posture and was shot.
 
1-Turns with hands towards cops
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2-Reaches into waistband
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3-Raises both arms towards cops in a shooting motion
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4-Responds to being shot
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The point is to show the natural defense reflex. never goes to the waistband they close in h doubles over to protect his stomach and puts his hands up in a defensive posture.

that is whats on the video.
Thats simply not true. I posted the sequence of events in pictures. He absolutely turns with hands towards cops, reaches into his waistband, points both hands at the cops, then responds to being shot.
 
dude was throwing rocks, no reports of guns, dude walked away and was shot at then ran away from the police and turned around in a defensive posture and was shot.

You either arent watching the video or arent being honest.
 
Thats simply not true. I posted the sequence of events in pictures. He absolutely turns with hands towards cops, reaches into his waistband, points both hands at the cops, then responds to being shot.




he never reaches into his waist band that's absurd.
 
You either arent watching the video or arent being honest.



I watched it plenty, just watched it again, that is a classic defensive move, he never reached into the waist band.


picture #2 does not show his hands in his wast it shows them rising to protect himself.
 
It's going to have to be another wait and see. Does any other video footage surface, what do the officers involved have to say, what do witnesses (there seem to be plenty around) have to say. If all one could base a conclusion on was this 20 second clip, it seems like another senseless shooting death.
 
he never reaches into his waist band that's absurd.

The only fact that surely counts is that he didn't have a gun and the officers would have seen that far better from their far closer vantage . Make no mistake if this had been in any other developed country those officers would be up on murder charges on the basis of this clip and there would have been no ifs or buts about it
 
he never reaches into his waist band that's absurd.

Of course he does. The only thing that is absurd is your unwillingness to admit it.

No...wait...you think someone is tickling his belly...I forgot...
 
I watched it plenty, just watched it again, that is a classic defensive move, he never reached into the waist band.


picture #2 does not show his hands in his wast it shows them rising to protect himself.
Why thats just horse****, son. His hands were already out. He went to his waistband, then came back out. You only dont see that if you by damn will not see it.
 
Of course he does. The only thing that is absurd is your unwillingness to admit it.

No...wait...you think someone is tickling his belly...I forgot...



I believe you smart enough to get my point and are being facetious.
 
Why thats just horse****, son. His hands were already out. He went to his waistband, then came back out. You only dont see that if you by damn will not see it.

hands were up and out as he ran, as he slowed down he brought them down and to his belly area to protect himself.

It's probably a good thing you are not a cop. ;)
 
I can't condemn the officers either at least not yet.

we start at the beginning, they fire two shots suspect bolts, at 00:18 he slows, at 00:19 he turns around with his hands near his waist back towards the officers hit the play pause button a couple of times, the gun shots commence before the 00:20 mark. so you're talking within the span of one second suspect who previously assaulted cops turns around right away and shots are maybe .6 seconds later. to me that says cops amped up on adrenaline see guy turn around possibly combative. too quick to form criminal intent really.

however if you go frame by frame within the 19 second mark, suspects hands to approach his wasteband, and he is shot before the 20th second

on the other hand suspects arms appear to have been going up as if maybe he wanted to surrender, but did the police realize that's what was happening in that span of under a second?
 
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Why thats just horse****, son. His hands were already out. He went to his waistband, then came back out. You only dont see that if you by damn will not see it.
While I realize you strongly believe that, the video does not show his hands coming into contact with his waistline. :shrug:


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hands were up and out as he ran, as he slowed down he brought them down and to his belly area to protect himself.
No that is nothing but your supposition.
Just prior, he had something in his hand that he was clearly holding up in the air (as if to throw).
At the point in question he appears to be readjusting his grasp on it, which then falls out of his hand as he is shot.
 
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While I realize you strongly believe that, the video does not show his hands coming into contact with his waistline. :shrug:


His hand are still away from his waistline at this point, which can be seen in his continuous movement.
His body movement makes it appear his hands are closer to his body at that point than they actually are.

But he did have something in his hand which appears to fall out after he was shot.

If one pays attention, the used tazer can be seen being dragged behind him.
You watched it in slow mo...cool. Tell me...does he have his hands extended? Does he move both hands to his waistband (he quite clearly does) and then does he again extend his arms in what can very easily be assumed a shooting stance? Or do you too feel he was suddenly defending himself from the imaginary tickle monster?
 
hands were up and out as he ran, as he slowed down he brought them down and to his belly area to protect himself.

It's probably a good thing you are not a cop. ;)

His hands are out, dart to his waistband and then dart out again. In the span of 1 second and while he turned to face the cops.

No doubt...I have no desire to be a cop. Absolute reality is that I spent 6 years being the person in between the cops and the crisis situation. I relate more to the prisoners I worked with than the probation officers. I have demonstrated that I am not blindly pro cop. Even in this incident I clearly stated they were wrong to shoot at him when he was throwing rocks. The second part? Thats a righteous shooting. You dont see it because you dont want to see it. Not much you can do when you the blind refuse to see.
 
No that is nothing but your supposition.
Just prior, he had something in his hand that he was clearly holding up in the air (as if to throw).
At the point in question he appears to be readjusting his grasp on it, which then falls out of his hand as he is shot.

Yeah, looks the same to me. He was in the process of a throwing motion. I believe one of the witnesses had indicated he had two rocks.. but had only thrown one at the police. Likely it was another rock. I don't see the reach to the waistband either.. but considering the cops wouldn't have had nearly the time we did.. It's very possible they thought that his hands did go there.
 
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