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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I'm promoting debate, I'm objecting to witch-hunts. As you can see in this very thread, discussions linked to specific, unresolved incidents tend to lead to the latter. I'm suggesting that if you really want a rational discussion about the actual issues and policies involved, it would be much more constructive to have them independently of individual incidents. If you really want a rational discussion about a specific incident, it would be much more constrictive to have it after as much of the relevant evidence as possible is publically available.

    No one is witch hunting, this is an incident one in many in recent years of police doing violence when other options would have been safer, less violent, and less deadly.

    In a time when crime is at an all time low, swat raids are up 1400%, police recruitment videos are indistinguishable from SOCOM recruitment video. police today are taught an "us vs them" mentality and this "warrior cop" mentality is reaching maturity and this is what we get.

    Reform needs to happen.


    This isn't personal by the way. You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.


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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I hardly think so given these officers were far closer than the camera was and what was happening was pretty obvious to me. The guy clearly had no gun in his hand and the force used here was criminally excessive as ex police officers posting here have already stated
    I agree with everything you say...right up until the 17 second point of the video. I agree the police shouldnt have shot the first time (even though I havent seen what transpired prior). But at the 17 second mark, EVERYTHING changes.At the 17 second mark he stops fleeing, he turns towards the pursuing officers, he reaches into his waistband, and then extends both arms in a classic isosceles shooting stance.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I hardly think so given these officers were far closer than the camera was and what was happening was pretty obvious to me. The guy clearly had no gun in his hand and the force used here was criminally excessive as ex police officers posting here have already stated
    coincidentally came across this relevant article:

    Shoot or don't shoot: Police scenarios prove eye-opening for civil rights leaders | Fox News

    It turned out the man was armed with a knife, but the "officer," who was actually the firebrand African-American activist known as Quanell X, acknowledged he would have fired whether the assailant had a knife, a spoon or an empty hand.

    “I didn’t even see it,” said the leader of the Houston area Black Panther Party, who was taking part in a training scenario in an attempt to understand what police officers go through during high-pressure situations. “It could have been anything in his hand, and I still would have used force to stop him.

    It all happened so fast," he added. "You don’t know what they could have in their hand.”

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Weird that they waited until after he threw the big rock, in the beginning.
    Why shoot after he runs away ?

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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

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    Pasco, Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Mid sized metropolitan area? I doubt these particular officers had any idea about him.
    Doubt is speculation. You are doing the same thing you did the last time...assigned your belief system to the case. The fact is, the police were called to respond to an incident in progress and there had been a substantial amount of time prior to the shooting. We have no way of knowing what all was relayed to the officers or if they knew him directly.

    Pasco itself has 70,000 residents. Its police departments are divided into 4 ministations. Its not at all unreasonable to 'assume' those responding officers not only knew him but were involved in his most recent arrest.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I agree with everything you say...right up until the 17 second point of the video. I agree the police shouldnt have shot the first time (even though I havent seen what transpired prior). But at the 17 second mark, EVERYTHING changes.At the 17 second mark he stops fleeing, he turns towards the pursuing officers, he reaches into his waistband, and then extends both arms in a classic isosceles shooting stance.
    Nonsense thats certainly not what I see. I see a guy in the process of pleading with the officers not to shoot and then being shot anyway. If I could see that he had no gun from the distance the camera was at then I'm certain the officers who were far closer could have ascertained that too before firing. They should all be up on a murder charge

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yes, when a cop is chasing a fleeing suspect.. Who may/may not have a gun.. The suspect then turns in a threatening manner, the cops can react as they did. They do not have to wait to actually get shot. Blame the dummy for turning around and trying to engage with armed police in such a manner.
    Ummm... did you even watch the video?

    You can see in the video, and the police chasing him can see even better, that he had no gun in either hand when they opened fire. My point is not that they did not follow "the rules of engagement" when they opened fire. My point is that "the rules of engagement" need to be reevaluated.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Nonsense thats certainly not what I see. I see a guy in the process of pleading with the officers not to shoot and then being shot anyway. If I could see that he had no gun from the distance the camera was at then I'm certain the officers who were far closer could have ascertained that too before firing. They should all be up on a murder charge
    Why does he go to his waistband prior to raising both arms towards the cops? What...you think thats where he keeps his rosary?

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Doubt is speculation. You are doing the same thing you did the last time...assigned your belief system to the case. The fact is, the police were called to respond to an incident in progress and there had been a substantial amount of time prior to the shooting. We have no way of knowing what all was relayed to the officers or if they knew him directly.

    Pasco itself has 70,000 residents. Its police departments are divided into 4 ministations. Its not at all unreasonable to 'assume' those responding officers not only knew him but were involved in his most recent arrest.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Ummm... did you even watch the video?

    You can see in the video, and the police chasing him can see even better, that he had no gun in either hand when they opened fire. My point is not that they did not follow "the rules of engagement" when they opened fire. My point is that "the rules of engagement" need to be reevaluated.
    Not quite how that works. Officers have to make a split second decision based on what is occuring. They do not have the ability to watch, as you did, a video a bunch of times to determine what decision to make. The guy's a ****ing dummy for, first throwing rocks at the cops.. Then running.. and for finally turning around and, probably based on what I see, getting ready to pouind them with another rock. Again, though, the cops just see a guy turning around in a aggressive manner with no idea what his intentions are in real time with adrenalin running. Some in the community will whine.. but the cops will not face chages and will be back at their jobs.

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