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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Cops see a man turn and his hands move is going to make them react. It's not murder.
    It's not murder but it is a homicide, and it may be manslaughter.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    How do we discuss such events then?
    They should be discussed as a wider concept, on points of principle and policy. They very rarely are though. Most people only want to talk about things like this when there have been specific high-profile incidents. Few people want to get in to the boring details of policy after the adrenaline and emotion has dropped and all the inconvenient facts have been established.

    Already in this thread, we've has definitive declarations that the man shot was a mentally ill criminal and that the police officers are guilty of manslaughter. I mean, who needs judges and juries when you have internet forums to declare guilt? It's only a matter of time before it turns in the usual hate fest of slurry.

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    I'm not sure I support police shooting fleeing suspects in heavily populated areas
    That's a policy question that doesn't really need to refer to any individual case. If it is a problem, it will have been a problem yesterday, last week, last year. Why wasn't it raised then?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    and I question at this point, the "arm raising" claim.
    Frankly whether you or I accept that is irrelevant. It will be part of the investigation(s) and any subsequent disciplinary or court cases which will be based on all of the evidence, not what has been selectively released to the public (or stolen by the media) and put on the internet. There is obviously a valid time for public complaints if such investigations are perceived as flawed (though that needs to be backed by fact and evidence, not emotional bias) but we're a long way from an possibility of that in this case.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Cops see a man turn and his hands move is going to make them react. It's not murder.
    Murder. Homicide. Whatever. Hand movement is now justifiable reason to kill.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Can someone tell me at what point in the video the man "lifting his right arm as if to throw another object, when they open fire, according to the video."?
    If someone hasn'-t already posted.. Here in slo-motion and zoomed in:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTMGPqUWKJA

    This will be justified. If the guy had kept running without turning around.. Then the shooting would have been unjustiified and the cops facing charges.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sarcasmo, loca.
    It went right over my head, I am not good at detecting sarcasm in writing.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This definately is a bad deal not only for the guy who was killed but everyone. He was unarmed and using a rock - granted a rock can be weapon but jesus people, just bum rush the guy, get him on his face, knee to the neck and handcuff the guy. Since we're seeing this now so often I have to ask - is this what these officers are taught to do in academy or is that these police are not willing to use physical restrain any longer? I'd hate to think these cops are just too lazy to get these people on their face and cuff them and instead, use tazers and when that doesn't work, just open fire. WTF!
    This is exactly what I have been thinking for a long time now. It seems like it's getting to the point where if there is a chance the officer might suffer a slight contusion to his pinkie toe then it's a-okay to whip out the Glock and start emptying clips.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    If someone hasn'-t already posted.. Here in slo-motion and zoomed in:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTMGPqUWKJA

    This will be justified. If the guy had kept running without turning around.. Then the shooting would have been unjustiified and the cops facing charges.

    I just noticed in slow motion when they shot him, the shots went in time with a saying in Spanish, that I probably can't post here but is really offensive. It's the same melody as "shave and a haircut".

    Off topic and has nothing to do with it but it stood out when I rewatched it.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    They should be discussed as a wider concept, on points of principle and policy. They very rarely are though. Most people only want to talk about things like this when there have been specific high-profile incidents. Few people want to get in to the boring details of policy after the adrenaline and emotion has dropped and all the inconvenient facts have been established.

    Already in this thread, we've has definitive declarations that the man shot was a mentally ill criminal and that the police officers are guilty of manslaughter. I mean, who needs judges and juries when you have internet forums to declare guilt? It's only a matter of time before it turns in the usual hate fest of slurry.

    That's a policy question that doesn't really need to refer to any individual case. If it is a problem, it will have been a problem yesterday, last week, last year. Why wasn't it raised then?

    Frankly whether you or I accept that is irrelevant. It will be part of the investigation(s) and any subsequent disciplinary or court cases which will be based on all of the evidence, not what has been selectively released to the public (or stolen by the media) and put on the internet. There is obviously a valid time for public complaints if such investigations are perceived as flawed (though that needs to be backed by fact and evidence, not emotional bias) but we're a long way from an possibility of that in this case.





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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The video only shows 10 seconds of the exchange. At this moment, we have no context of the situation, how long it lasted, or even if the cops told him to halt when bolted. In other words, let's not jump to conclusions like we did with Ferguson...
    10 seconds?

    Let us not prejudge the evidence please by exaggerating. We do not see what led up to the what I presume to be the first volley of fire. But that's meaningless as is what they said. Nor does the suspected crime.

    They were shooting at him when he had his back turned. There was no "object" at all in evidence in his hand and only a pro-cop would even think to say the man turning to face his attackers with his hands out in defense was an "aggressive gesture". You break this down frame by frame and view with an eye experienced in video and you get a story not consistent with the cops' version.

    My first question if on a jury would be about 'use of force' guidelines and whether they were followed and why the heavy artillery came out in the first place with a platoon of cops around. Lethal force seems to have been the first line of response instead of the last
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