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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    As a non American all I can say is that of all the developed countries its only in the States could a petty incident like this resulted in a fatality. Indeed elsewhere the officers in question would most likely now be up on a murder charge. Talk about disproportionate force !
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    As far as this actual incident is concerned (my previous comments were not specific to THIS incident, but the idea that mentally ill people should be treated special when assaulting police)...

    There is absolutely no reason why the police were shooting at the intersection.

    I don't know WTF is going on with police these days. I've been out of the business for 2 years and some change now and I must have missed the memo on "Shoot anyone who is a threat to you" sent out worldwide that was sent out sometime after I left policing.

    If indeed the dude was just throwing rocks...... You deal with the rocks and you move in close and fast and bring that guy to the ground. Hell, charge in with your arms covering your head and face if you have to and peek through a small opening between your arms as you run in quickly, but for ****s sake.... don't go blasting someone because they threw a rock at you (if indeed that is all that was happening).


    I still stand by my statements that it doesn't matter if the person has a mental illness or not, you treat them the same when dealing with them assaulting police or the public.

    i agree with this.


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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Answered below. I see him going into his waste band as if he were reaching for a gun and then bringing both arms to the fore.

    I dont have a problem with them opening fire at 20 seconds, all things considered. I do have a problem with them opening fire at 5 seconds into the clip.


    I'm still working out the second part.

    he's already been shot at and runs, how would he give up at that point to not get shot more?
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I'm still working out the second part.

    he's already been shot at and runs, how would he give up at that point to not get shot more?
    Stop and lay down spread eagle.

    Not to sound all Christmas carol-y, but do you see what I see? He VERY CLEARLY turns towards them, reaches into his waistband, and pulls up both hands. the 17-20 second span tells a separate story but you have to actually be able and willing to see it.

    5 second mark? Nah...I dont get that. I mean, according to the reports the responded to a 'suspect' but no account of what he was suspected of and they reported that the taser was ineffective. Still...I think there has to have been a better way.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Stop and lay down spread eagle.

    Not to sound all Christmas carol-y, but do you see what I see? He VERY CLEARLY turns towards them, reaches into his waistband, and pulls up both hands. the 17-20 second span tells a separate story but you have to actually be able and willing to see it.

    5 second mark? Nah...I dont get that. I mean, according to the reports the responded to a 'suspect' but no account of what he was suspected of and they reported that the taser was ineffective. Still...I think there has to have been a better way.


    I disagree, I watched it at full screen he's running away with his hands out as he turns his hands come in and out but there is no grabbing motion now could that have confused the police, maybe. but I don't think he could have done anything to not be shot down at that point except lay on the ground, but clear thinking goes out the window when people are shootinig at you.



    edit to add, watching the video again, his hands go into a defensive position, not reaching for anything.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I don't believe I have claimed that police action should be backed in this incident.

    I took issue with your jump to conclusions that if there is mental illness, then police should risk their lives furthur because of it. Even if it can't be known beforehand, and ESPECIALLY if a random person claims there might be something wrong with the guy.

    If, or if they do not, have some sort of mental illness, the police should deal with people assaulting them in the same manner regardless of some sort of perceived mental illness.

    Everybody today suffers from depression, bi-polar, ADHD, or some other form of mental illness it would seem. We live in a "I want drugs" society...and it is getting worse. Police shouldn't be forced to handle these people in some kind of special manner.

    I think maybe you took it the wrong way but I think they do need to be handled differently, not special, because the reason is that they might not know or understand what they are doing properly in the head so they are actually more of a threat. I can't expect them to diagnose people on spot but I would think sometimes it's easy to spot if someone isn't right in the head.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Zoom zoom.

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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Zoom zoom.

    That's messed up. That looks like manslaughter 1 to me.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I think maybe you took it the wrong way but I think they do need to be handled differently, not special, because the reason is that they might not know or understand what they are doing properly in the head so they are actually more of a threat. I can't expect them to diagnose people on spot but I would think sometimes it's easy to spot if someone isn't right in the head.
    When it comes to mentally ill people assaulting the public or police.... The police handle the situation AT THE TIME the same.

    Its how to handle them after they are no longer a threat that changes.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Zoom zoom.

    From that view, his hands were empty.

    He put them up in almost a pleading manner...... ALMOST a pleading manner.

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