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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
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    Witness questions fatal shooting of rock-throwing man by Pasco police | The Today File | Seattle Times



    If that is correct and he does have some mental issues, then it's another instance of that not being properly dealt with. But rocks are weapons and he could have hurt someone. I agree though it could have been handled differently.
    So a suggestion by a totally random non expert that their might be something wrong with him, and you jump to the situation isn't handled correctly due to mental illness.

    Tell me, AmericanWoman, do you think Police Officers should be forced to risk serious injury or death at a much higher rate because they were dealing with someone who has mental issues?

    And.... do you think that finding out someone has mental problems AFTER the police have dealt with that person to be a bit of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" when the police had no reason to know the person has mental problems beforehand?

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Did you watch around the 18 second mark? What did you see?


    I see a guy turn around but I don't see hands raised past waste level, unless he's a softball pitcher......


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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Another case of disproportionate force. I remember when I was a kid and we'd get into trouble (stupid stuff like skateboarding) and run from the cops and just get tickets when we were caught. Now you can get killed for it apparently. That's disturbing.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    This definately is a bad deal not only for the guy who was killed but everyone. He was unarmed and using a rock - granted a rock can be weapon but jesus people, just bum rush the guy, get him on his face, knee to the neck and handcuff the guy. Since we're seeing this now so often I have to ask - is this what these officers are taught to do in academy or is that these police are not willing to use physical restrain any longer? I'd hate to think these cops are just too lazy to get these people on their face and cuff them and instead, use tazers and when that doesn't work, just open fire. WTF!
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Watch the whole video on youtube, full screen.

    I dont have a problem with them shooting at the 20 second mark. I dont understand why they initially shot at the 5 second mark. THAT is the troubling incident (not knowing all the details). If in fact all he did was throw a rock, then they should not have shot. BUT...if you actually watch the full video, stop it at the 17 second mark. He very clearly reaches both hands into his pants under his shirt. At 18 seconds he imitates drawing something from his pants and pulls both arms at and points towards the officers at which point they open fire.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So a suggestion by a totally random non expert that their might be something wrong with him, and you jump to the situation isn't handled correctly due to mental illness.

    Tell me, AmericanWoman, do you think Police Officers should be forced to risk serious injury or death at a much higher rate because they were dealing with someone who has mental issues?

    And.... do you think that finding out someone has mental problems AFTER the police have dealt with that person to be a bit of "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" when the police had no reason to know the person has mental problems beforehand?

    Did I not say "If that is correct"? Tell me Caine, do you jump to conclusions if police action isn't backed 100%? No, I don't think they should be forced to risk serious injury or death but they should be trained better to handle a situation like that without risking serious injury or death to innocent bystanders, or is shooting in a busy intersection a really good idea?
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Tell me, AmericanWoman, do you think Police Officers should be forced to risk serious injury or death at a much higher rate because they were dealing with someone who has mental issues?


    Yes, Police is a relatively safe job. police used to do it all the time.


    here's a better question, should these officers have put the public in mortal danger by discharging thier weapons in a crowded street at a fleeing subject who was throwing rocks?


    If the choice is putting cops in more danger or the civillians in more danger, I'd vote cops each and every time.
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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I see a guy turn around but I don't see hands raised past waste level, unless he's a softball pitcher......


    What do yousee?
    Answered below. I see him going into his waste band as if he were reaching for a gun and then bringing both arms to the fore.

    I dont have a problem with them opening fire at 20 seconds, all things considered. I do have a problem with them opening fire at 5 seconds into the clip.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Did I not say "If that is correct"? Tell me Caine, do you jump to conclusions if police action isn't backed 100%? No, I don't think they should be forced to risk serious injury or death but they should be trained better to handle a situation like that without risking serious injury or death to innocent bystanders, or is shooting in a busy intersection a really good idea?
    I don't believe I have claimed that police action should be backed in this incident.

    I took issue with your jump to conclusions that if there is mental illness, then police should risk their lives furthur because of it. Even if it can't be known beforehand, and ESPECIALLY if a random person claims there might be something wrong with the guy.

    If, or if they do not, have some sort of mental illness, the police should deal with people assaulting them in the same manner regardless of some sort of perceived mental illness.

    Everybody today suffers from depression, bi-polar, ADHD, or some other form of mental illness it would seem. We live in a "I want drugs" society...and it is getting worse. Police shouldn't be forced to handle these people in some kind of special manner.

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    Re: Police in Washington state fatally shoot man who threw rocks at them

    As far as this actual incident is concerned (my previous comments were not specific to THIS incident, but the idea that mentally ill people should be treated special when assaulting police)...

    There is absolutely no reason why the police were shooting at the intersection.

    I don't know WTF is going on with police these days. I've been out of the business for 2 years and some change now and I must have missed the memo on "Shoot anyone who is a threat to you" sent out worldwide that was sent out sometime after I left policing.

    If indeed the dude was just throwing rocks...... You deal with the rocks and you move in close and fast and bring that guy to the ground. Hell, charge in with your arms covering your head and face if you have to and peek through a small opening between your arms as you run in quickly, but for ****s sake.... don't go blasting someone because they threw a rock at you (if indeed that is all that was happening).


    I still stand by my statements that it doesn't matter if the person has a mental illness or not, you treat them the same when dealing with them assaulting police or the public.

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